Toolman your right. When I take a break from building and maintainence of all the planes I'm currently working on for myself and many other people , I do just that, or listen in on this Debate that takes place Every year as someone else has brought to our attention. I would rather focus my time to promoting the hobby, and getting everybody that has an interest in aviation invloved in building, designing, R&D, flying etc. etc. I am an AMA member and have been since 1969 and Proud of it. I participate in contests ect. ect. The people that believe it cost to much are a drop in the pound, if they have decided not to particapate fine!, that is up to them. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink! and that is all I have to say about that.