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Old 12-24-2009 | 02:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: hezik

Thanks for your comments!

The stab area is something one could argue about.

For instance: Sebart's new WindS 2m: 21 dm^2. Larger than my stab. CPLR enlarged the stab on the Osmose Evolution, and the Axiome. Both have a bigger stab than this bird.

See also Chad Northeast's blog:
Secondly, the stab and fin are very large relative to the wing, and also to other F3A models. Christophe said he was not happy with the directional stability in the Osmose, so he made a similar change to the Osmose Evolution and it was improved. So this is a carry over of that, my next question was obviously does that not make it more difficult in the snap, to which he smiled and said there are always compromises Indeed.
However, you are right.. it's a large stab, and a large fin, for that matter. If it turns out to be too large, I will build a smaller one!

The wing is 10% all the way, from root to tip. Since there's a fillet near the fuse, the chord gets very big at the fuse, so it's 9% at the fuse.

So overall, its like this:

fuse: 9% (chord: 57cm)
6cm outward from fuse: 10% (chord: ~45cm)
tip: 10% (chord: 16.5cm)

The root chord at the fuse is 57cm because of the fillet. If one leaves out the fillet, the chord would be 47cm. Since the tip chord is 16.5cm; that means there's a 2.8:1 ratio, which is close to what you mention.

The dihedral on the wing is practically the same as on the Axiome, after CPLR cut it and increased the dihedral. I'm hoping it is correct indeed, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating
You're welcome. You asked for help and comments so those were mine. It's your choice whether to use them or not.

Christophe is a great flier and he could make anything fly well including compromised designs. I have flown a couple of his designs and I think these are not particularly good for the average fliers.... too many mixes needed. But in his hands, they fly fine and are world beaters due to his flying skill and ability to set them up electronically. A better design would trully leave everyone else in the dust.

The fact is that we can design a pattern model that has virtually no practical compromises. Look up and study Bryan Hebert's latest, which is being offered by CompArf. There should be photos in their website. No need to copy it... just pay particular attention to the relationships in areas, location of wing relative to thrust vector, dihedral, etc. There is an awful lot more of course but it sounds like you are very early in your learning curve so these variables are a very good place to start

MattK