most heli guys are shun from local flying clubs. witch is probley why the pattern rule is there I fly heli's and plank's(fixed wing) question?? i keep seeing this insurance thing i thought that your homeowner was the primary. and i would like to agree that's its the attitude of the people at the club. a new guy show's up that is not a fried of there's or a friend of a friend and they want nothing to do with them. all it takes is one bad encounter and you can turn somebody off to the hobby. in some cases i think that is what some of the clubs.