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Old 01-06-2010 | 06:31 PM
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Default RE: Climb on speed change


ORIGINAL: BMatthews


ORIGINAL: CrateCruncher

BMathews,
How did you conclude the CG of the model in question was set too far forward? The original poster doesn't have the plane in the air yet. He was referring to the model's reputation ''in general''. The plane's reputation might be suffering from any one of a host of maladies: poorly matched wing lift/weight, excessive decalage setup, insufficient downthrust.
Another point: Adding downthrust actually helps reduce pitch-up caused by thrust moment in high-wings. Further, chopping the throttle of a plane with downthrust will cause it to momentarily pitch UP, not down.

Regarding constant climbing planes, fiddling with elevator trim etc. Is this some new form of macho? ''only real men fight their airplanes''(LOL). I prefer to control mine with dynamic feedback. Regards.

CC, you read a lot more into my posts than I put there.

It doesn't matter if he had flown model or not. He related about others in trying to correct their own experience with the design by altering the wing or tail incidence without realizing what the actual cause of the behaviour. So I presented what I have found to be a better way to deal with the issue.

Adding excessive downthrust to a model that really needs a CG shift to a lesser positive position will do exactly what you said. The nose will tend to jump up when the throttle is chopped abruptly. That's why I suggested setting the CG before playing with adding a final seasoning of downthrust. And it's not only a high wing model that'll do that. A low wing model with an excessively forward CG and resultant decalage angle will do the same thing.

I suppose having to fight the model constantly COULD be seen as a form of machoism. But I'm not a ''wife beater wearing macho dude''..... I'm generally lazy and don't like arguments with my models. That's why I use my trim lever as a main flight control for my models that benifit from doing so. It's not an issue with a well set up aerobatic model since those are set so close to neutral that they fly almost the same from power off to full power. Sailplanes, on the other hand, benifit from using the trim almost constantly since it's hard to hold just the right amount of trim for more than a couple of seconds. And general fly around type designs can often benifit from a couple of trim adjustments at various times as well. Using the trim lever a lot on my sailplanes makes it easier for me to do well. With my poly ships I've often set the thermal turn using the rudder and elevator trims and then just stood there watching with my thumbs off the sticks for the next 5 minutes while the model flies in the thermal. Set this way it does better at centering itself than I can manage.

In fact I use my elevator trim so much that I installed 3/4 inch long 2-56 screws into the elevator trim levers on my old style transmitters. That way I could easily feel where the trim was located by the angle of the extension. I detest the new digital click trim levers since I no longer have a way of checking the trim position easily on one Tx and have to look at the LCD screen of the other to see where the trim is set.
Somewhre -in my piles of photos -is a 8.5 x11 of a tx I designed -and published pics in the mid 1980's -in Model Builder
The tray type tx had three trim KNOBS.
I could fly a plane using just the knobs.
Once it all seemed correct- Iusedthe sticks ( ProLine open gimble.)
I detest digital motor trims
My 9303 has a mechanical trim on the speed control
In reading various comments on trims -,it appears many flyers add switches for various power settings of cruise - landing/shut down etc.. - To each his own - I find that awkward
To me it would be like trying to play guitar using chord keys on the fingerboard.
(like playing an autoharp )