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Old 01-07-2010 | 02:07 PM
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ahhh, that lighter is better argument again [:'(] I get a laufgh when I see these you beaut super light planes fold up in the air or sustain major damage on a less than perfect landing. I have build several 100'' plus planes, some very light and some a bit heavier, and to be honest, if you arent right into 3D I dont see that much gained, I fly imac, and I prefer to have a heavier than light plane, I find I get better lines and the wind doesnt push the plane around as easily. I also like the fact I know its NOT going to fold up from just behind the canopy if my landing isnt perfect. Noit so long ago I built 2 100'' laser 200's from plans, one I built light as per plans and the other I beefed a bit, with ply doublers from fire wall to well into the turtle deck, heavier landibng gear blocks etc. I fitted boith with BME 102cc motors, all hitec servo's etc, both set up with identical fit outs. guess which one i still have? the heavier beast, the light one folded up doing a waterfall, snapped right at the front turtledeck former.

In a previous post someone mentioned that f/g was weak? what material for covering do we use that isnt on its own? I work a lot with f/g and composites, I bvuild and refit boats for a living, and yes I can tear layed up f/g 1/4 fairly easily when I can start at the edge too, but try to tear f/g from somewhere in the middle? eg when you f/g a wing joint, you lay a strip of glass all the way around, and when bonded to the wing properly it increases and stiffens that wing joint a great deal for not much weight, same when f/g a whole airframe, you dont just bung on a patch here and there, you lay your f/g all round, and fair it all in together if you do it right, whether in 1 or multiple steps, and you use a minimum of resin well rolled in to bond it to the wing/fuse etc. the strength isnt from the resin itself, but the f/g fibres being bonded. As has been said before tho, later applications of resins will be for finishing with micro ballons, talc or whatever.

As in any aspect of our hobby, or anything else for that matter, there will always be differences of opinion. These are just my thoughts and observations

cheers
If you are folding up wings, and fuses in flight on your light airplanes, then your design and, or consruction methods need a little help. A properly designed and constructed lightweight airfarme will last hundreds, even thousands of hard flights. There are just too many builders using many of my lightweight construction methods these days, that are having 0 structural issues, so there is no argument, I been doing, and documenting it for years. Now knocking out gears is another story, all I can say is practice, practice, practice...

Bob
I have snapped one arf plane in the air personally, that was a H9 extra 260 running a BME 50cc. It snapped right at the end of the ply doubler just behind the cockpit. I have also snapped one of my scratchbuilt planes in exactly the same spot, again right where that doubler finishes behind the cockpit. Also, check the aerobatic and 3D threads and see how many planes break in that area. In the hunt for building ever lighter planes for a minimal cost, something has to give. Also, none of the scratchbuilt planes I have built have ever folded a wing, just 3 supposed quality bARFs. Its also been many years since I have knocked out the landing gear of one of my own built planes. My designs or construction methods? I dont think so, as I have said I am happy to have a little more weight to have a plane that flies the way I like, and I DONT fly 3D, and I firmly believe harrier type arrivals, you cant call them landings[:'(] are an insult to a plane. As for landings? I find them a breeze, when I first started flying and had soloed I never worried about how much fuel I had, and most of my landings were deadstick. I only wrecked one plane by getting caught too far out and I collected the fence post coming in. To put it bluntly I will NEVER buy another bARF, I trust my building skills a lot more. At least I know there WILL be glue where its needed, and there will be wood where needed too.
I can't speak for ARFs, I build, or design, and build my own airplanes...

Bob