Wow, I really want to meet him, I'm not trying to put down ARF assembliers at all, I use to do it for hobby shops for extra cash plus something to keep me happy and busy, but 12? I was up to about 30 a season, not counting the X-mas rush, then you had crashed planes to fix as well, I didn't even officially work for the hobby shops either. Yes, that torques me when I read the great build thread of so and so (arf),...but I just bite my tounge and stay away from the assembly threads containing prebuilt and finished planes. I must admit, I own an arf or two, two is really streatching it, but there is no heart pounding moment when I fly it, why, I can go get another copy tomorrow if I dumb-thumb it. My scratch built quickiee, well, that is going to shed a tear if I deep six the sucker. My good old TF P-47, that's already hurt once before when it hit the dirt, so to me personally, the kit is more exciting than the ARF, and the kit almost everytime flies better than the arf in my own little mind, and yes, it's a small little world I live in?!