As long as Ed doesn't mind, all Deception related comments regarding alternatives/different construction methods strike me as "value added" to a thread. However, if Ed feels that this detracts from his otherwise clean thread, you are certainly welcome to post in my little Deception thread Greg. I'd like to see your built up version even if it's a couple of shots here and there.

Further, Ed, please let us know if you'd like us to remove those comments about the built up CAD Deception.

Crank's comments are a good reminder though - sometimes we can go off on tangents (I'm the first culprit!)

David.