my lhs actually sells them for 400. its wierd since almost everywhere sold them for 469, but there were 2 lhs's nearby that had them for 400. now there is only one. im sure they are still 400, i havnt looked for awhile. idk about buying used. i never have. now that i know how to tear down and rebuild almost blindfolded, i wouldnt be so skeptical prolly of buying a used one. but i was to scared to buy a used one b4 i knew what i was doin lmao....