[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] If you want to get serious and don't mind buying the servos, the Spirit Elite can be set up for Crow, etc and I've seen it be quite competative in contests off our winch. Don't winch the Spirit 3-channel. I did and bent the wing joiner without breaking the epoxy joints. I've got a new one now with plywood in lieu of balsa. Nest time off the winch, the wing may break instead of the bent joiner. There is also a 2M sailplane on Hobby Lobby's web site that looks interesting, but $399 is a bit steep although all bagged and fiberglass, so I shouldn't be surprised.