Look, if you don'yt allready have the FMS flight sim, download it, its free. Then try flying an Extra. I have 5 planes in my hangar, one is a 60 size warbird. I don't have trouble with any of my planes either flying or on the flight sim. I fly an Extra on the sim and I do ok until its time to land. Then when I am getting lined up or starting to slow down, the plane suddenly falls out of the sky, hard! Its the only plane that I still crash on a flight sim. I sure am not in any hurry to try the real RC plane any time soon! I can do enough areobatics with my other planes without being concerned that the plane is suddenly going to be buring itself in the ground! :stupid: