W8ye:
You miss understand what I am trying to accomplish here. I am not trying to step on anyones toes, however my take on this is simply this. I am looking for a god quality engine (see my previous post). For a price that is better than retail. I personally am not asking for service or guarantee. I am an engine man and although I dont know all the in's and outs of each engine I have listed, I can tune em. Anyway I hope some of you can provide me with some either new/used sources to get one of these engines. I am not opposed to used I just want one that is better priced than what is currently showing on the majority of the hobby shop websites.

I guess I am an American doing what Americans do, and that islooking for a deal, we can just call it capitilism at it's finest.

Glenn