on your first point, if the plane has to have as much trim as this thing does, you can't pull back on the stick and have it go anywhere near strait up, so therefore it won't do loops or the vertical lines, I have not been back flying long enough to compensate for that, the one thing I do know from my past contest experience is you need your plane to fly strait and level so you can concentrate on doing your manuvers and not worry about your verticals going off at a 45* angle and loops looking like a cork screw, I agree that I need to fly and fly in competition a lot, but I am not going to fly when I know I have NO CHANCE and all I would do is embarass myself, I am going to build a plane that will fly strait and then I will compete, my original question is how to improve once I have that part done,