This is getting out of hand. Doug did apoligize maybe not with a lot of tact but he did do so that says a lot for him. I've had worse replies and yes in print we can and do place what meaning we think is behind the words. So let's get on with it. I have started making my own set of blades with 1/64 thin light ply,the reason being is I have an idea how to make this little heli even more steady. My blades however will not work for 3D which I think looks like a helicopter having a convulsion not scale flying. It is going to by layered and then drilled and monocoated for less weight. I will post pics as to the stages of assembly. I plan on doing many mods down the road cuz I am tooled right up for that sort of thing. Now if only the weather would co-operate