ya' k-bob i do want to pay my own way you are right about that in my first post i was saying like paying $5 a day to fly to compensate for what the club does i'm not against the ama and i've gone through there web site and was thinking about the ama park flyer card i do not foresee getting into the big boys and i do need to see if the club in my local area will accept that card just for years back in virginia there are so many places you can go and fly then coming to florida (my fathers health declining) and bam no where with any type of room to really fly (at least in the area i'm in)  but to pay a club $100 and i'm really not sure weather i'll be here a year or longer , i am going back to virginia one day and really won't be any need for either one(club or ama) but for now i need to figure something out and if the ama was to open or get these clubs to allow ama card holders to use there fields (for a fee) would be great and i'd become a lifer with the ama but as long as clubs (at least in this area and yes many club fields in virginia allow ama members to use there field without being a member of the club)close there fields to outsiders i just don't see becoming a ama member would be the thing for me i do fly with common sense and not around people and such i guess i just don't see why these clubs are so exclusive if we are all in pursuit of the same thing in the end