johnbuckner.....no not at all but what token fee are you talking about the club could possible make more money then if i joined , i just threw a number out there $5 not enough ok $10 or $15 . what i've been saying is i do travel i'm just here in florida due to my fathers ailing health , i am originally from virginia were i guess from everything i'm reading is one of a very few places were people WANT to get togeather to pursue a common interest . i did not mean to offend anyone and i apologize if i did . i really think this is what i thought would happen club and ama members are going to fight against anyone that suggest change to there world , let me tell anyone what to do if you travel alot like me , get on google maps and use there satellite map to find your spots . i was just asking a question and some of you come unglued, and due to that  my mind is made up to heck with the ama , this has just been a example of the people that are involved i thank the ones that were trying to give me the best answer they could but the rest of you should be acting like ambassadors to the ama not trying to run people off , and to let ya'all know i shouldn't have to be saying this but most sanctioning bodys like a.r.c.a. / nascar / n.h.r.a / the real ama ( american motorcyle association / aba just to name a few assure not only participation in any event but the use of a facility in any state they are involved in ....that was were my question was steming from!!!!!!! but what i've learned , is that the few good members are way outweighed by the real ignorant ones and that is such a shame , you can't even take the time to be a good ambassadors to your own hobby ........</p>