Teamtigerpaw,  Thanks for the vet comment.  It is appreciated but more important is that all americans think of and never forget those who have paid the ultimate sacrifice.  For they are more important than I am.  If we forget them, we are forgetting history and we do not want to repeat what we have already paid dearly for.   Antway,  These posts have some good techniques and I hope the are helping flag8r in his quest of the soldering process.