How many times do I have to say that I have SEEN this happen? Are you calling me a liar on here? Huh? I'd like to know what you seem to think is innacurate about that! Misguided trivia? That just shows the RCU world that you have a one track mind, and regardless of what anyone else says Glavin is always right. I used to think like that...when I was 16! The fear of god I was referring to had nothing to do with religion belive me...it had to do with that feeling of "where is that plane gonna end up" when the guy yelled "HEADS"! You know that feeling when you hear that of trying to run in two different directions at the same time? Ever heard that yelled out before? It means in plain english "pick your chin up and watch this plane because 'I ain't got it' ". Since we are talking about factual info. and heresay, where'd you come up with the heresay that there were 1000's of 8411 failures? Do you have anything at all to back up that claim? In answer to your question, No, I have seen no failures that resulted in the loss of a model with these. I've seen one that the main gear got stripped when the aileron was banged on a FC 2.6 330 that had the servo arm locked from moving it all the way to full travel to clean around it. I've also seen a few that were plum wore out, but after a year or more and 100's of flights that's to be expected. Other than that, all I have seen from them is them working flawlessly, and around here that's alot of servos as JR stuff is flown almost exclusively. I don't have to purchase some defective servo to have any credibility when I've already seen what happens with my own two eyes. I'm sorry to hear you're not aware that this is happening and haven't seen it, but let me re-iterate again...I HAVE! What is this new "cutting edge technology" stuff? I haven't seen the first thing out of these that was cutting edge...all I have seen is a multitude of bugs that even you wrote almost a paragraph about, along with the bit about the "less evolved JR amp"...hmmmm... you mean the Mitsubishi amp? That one? LOL Do you seriously believe that a company like Hitec has the knowledge base of a giant like Mitsubishi? Holy cow man, I about flipped out of my chair when I read that. I do have one thing I'd like to retract though on this thread, and then I'm done with it. The Hitec Digitals and 8411 thing was pretty slanted, so I guess I should've said Hitec Digitals/ JR digitals. Or if you like 5945/8411...gotta be fair about these things.