Thanks Gray Beard, I am quite confident at controlling a tiger 2 & Pitts python on G3.5, I am only 15 and I am going to build a Pitts model 12 over the Summer, not that I intend to fly it immediately but I really can't afford a lot of planes to get to it. I also fly FSXnot that it helps, I just love planes etc. And i am quite technical about things. I fully understand how to operate a plane but that is something totally different in practice![] And I doubt that somebody is goint to let a teenager fly one of their low wing trainers, even on buddy Box. My only idea is to buy a second hand low wing around here and see how well I do!