That is why you are a good guy, you just help people. Out here in CA people arent generally as helpful as you may remember... I help people if they ask for it but I never really go and see if they need help. maybe I should... I do offer it up if they want it and I enjoy helping people out as I think most people do. You are one of the good guys Gene! and it is good to recognise that once in awhile! I recall you telling me about your students and helping them out and it all adds up. I only wish people would let me help them out like you do! btw I started building an Astro Hog, it took awhile to get the kit and I have wanted one since 1983 when I saw 2 guys flying them around having alot of fun.