Lol, I was afraid I would get a rise like this. You are referring to wind gusts or wind shear, charlie p, that cause your wing rocking. And yes, I too have eyes and a sense of relative motion which make the groundtrack of my airplane obvious. I was referring to a constant wind speed condition which would not cause the gentleman's 4 star to stall in the downwind turn. I would just hate for a newbie to be afraid of something that isn't a real concern (the downwind turn causing a stall part) - they already are worrying enough, lol. However, in a turn, an airplane will stall at a higher airspeed than it will when strait and level. Therefore, if this 4 star was already getting slow, then forced into a turn creating more than just 1g, a stall could have occurred due to the turn having NOTHING to do with wind. Like I said, I hope I don't sound like a jerk - the "downwind turn" thing may be a pet peeve of mine I guess, lol.