Sony webbie anyone?
05-26-2009, 01:50 PM
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Sony webbie anyone?
The size and weight seem to be right even for medium helis or planes (3.3 o)...is HD with swivel lens, the reviews seem a little mixed but could be interesting for RC...Anyone using it?
05-26-2009, 04:16 PM
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05-26-2009, 04:22 PM
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
You bet:
http://www.vimeo.com/4726732
The mixed reviews result from it's poor indoor, or low light, performance. Which is true but doesn't really apply to our hobby unless you want to fly at night.
http://www.vimeo.com/4726732
The mixed reviews result from it's poor indoor, or low light, performance. Which is true but doesn't really apply to our hobby unless you want to fly at night.
05-26-2009, 05:45 PM
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
I have been using a Sony Webbie for about a month now.
So far, I am NOTimpressed.
Reasons:
1) The video lacks contrast. It is almost like looking through a gray filter. The colors are not vibrant.
2) There is no image stabilization. It will record the slightest movements of your hand or vibrations of your aircraft, and being HD, it's very noticeable.
3) The outputfile is not compatible with Deshaker, you will need to covert your video to another format first (which is fine, as you will also need to add contrast anyway.)
4) It does not handle low light conditions well.
So far, I am NOTimpressed.
Reasons:
1) The video lacks contrast. It is almost like looking through a gray filter. The colors are not vibrant.
2) There is no image stabilization. It will record the slightest movements of your hand or vibrations of your aircraft, and being HD, it's very noticeable.
3) The outputfile is not compatible with Deshaker, you will need to covert your video to another format first (which is fine, as you will also need to add contrast anyway.)
4) It does not handle low light conditions well.
05-26-2009, 06:22 PM
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
The video from Cschwie is impressive...Talk about mixed opinions.....Is there other cam out there that you can recommend around the 3 oz range?
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
1) The video lacks contrast. It is almost like looking through a gray filter. The colors are not vibrant.
2) There is no image stabilization. It will record the slightest movements of your hand or vibrations of your aircraft, and being HD, it's very noticeable.
3) The outputfile is not compatible with Deshaker, you will need to covert your video to another format first (which is fine, as you will also need to add contrast anyway.)
4) It does not handle low light conditions well.
2) There is no image stabilization. It will record the slightest movements of your hand or vibrations of your aircraft, and being HD, it's very noticeable.
3) The outputfile is not compatible with Deshaker, you will need to covert your video to another format first (which is fine, as you will also need to add contrast anyway.)
4) It does not handle low light conditions well.
Its image quality can't compete with a standard camcorder but I'm hooked on using it for FPV.
05-27-2009, 01:28 PM
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
No. The Webbie just started selling and I started flying with it in May 2009. Previously Iused the KX-171 and other similar cameras and recorded the live stream.
06-01-2009, 10:42 PM
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
Here are some pictures of the Sony Webbie on my Eflite Ascent 450. I attached it (with velcro) to a polyethelene strip, attached above the wing.
Video looks very good, in bright sunlight. Of course, I am shooting through the prop, so I climb as high as possible (where I can still see the sailplane), then shut motor off. This allows prop to fold back.
Only problem, is the prorietory AVC MPEG4 video, at 1440x1080 will only burn to a Standard Def. DVD, using the included Sony PMB (picture motion browser) software. I can burn AVC Hi Def DVDs, shot with my SONY Sd-11 (1920x1080i) hard drive camcorder, using Sony PMB, but video from Webbie Cam cannot be burned to a HiDef AVCHDdisc. Too bad. I also tried to burn a Hi Def Blue Ray disc, using Sony Vegas Pro, 8.0. I could import the MPEG4 video file into Sony Vegas Pro, but couldn't burn a Blue Raydisc from the timeline.
Anyway, with the included composite connectors, pluggedinto my Sony LCD1920X1080 display, video looks great, very sharp. The same video file, burned to a Blue Ray disc would look evenbetter.An HDMIconnection on the camera would help, too, better than composite. It's too bad the Sony PMD software will only burn a Standard Def DVD, from the Webbie Cam. You lose a lot of detail, dumbing down the image.
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ps, regarding 2thDr, I thought the image stabilization works very well, on my sailplane. Quality is much better than the FlyCamOne2 I had before. Of course, on my Trex 500 there may be more vibration.
Video looks very good, in bright sunlight. Of course, I am shooting through the prop, so I climb as high as possible (where I can still see the sailplane), then shut motor off. This allows prop to fold back.
Only problem, is the prorietory AVC MPEG4 video, at 1440x1080 will only burn to a Standard Def. DVD, using the included Sony PMB (picture motion browser) software. I can burn AVC Hi Def DVDs, shot with my SONY Sd-11 (1920x1080i) hard drive camcorder, using Sony PMB, but video from Webbie Cam cannot be burned to a HiDef AVCHDdisc. Too bad. I also tried to burn a Hi Def Blue Ray disc, using Sony Vegas Pro, 8.0. I could import the MPEG4 video file into Sony Vegas Pro, but couldn't burn a Blue Raydisc from the timeline.
Anyway, with the included composite connectors, pluggedinto my Sony LCD1920X1080 display, video looks great, very sharp. The same video file, burned to a Blue Ray disc would look evenbetter.An HDMIconnection on the camera would help, too, better than composite. It's too bad the Sony PMD software will only burn a Standard Def DVD, from the Webbie Cam. You lose a lot of detail, dumbing down the image.
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ps, regarding 2thDr, I thought the image stabilization works very well, on my sailplane. Quality is much better than the FlyCamOne2 I had before. Of course, on my Trex 500 there may be more vibration.
06-02-2009, 07:37 AM
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
Cschwie,
Your video on Vimeo is great! How high were you flying? Did you use a spotter with binoculars? One thing I noticed is that the video is very stable, except when you start a banked turned.
The AVC codec is a variable bit rate; ie as the complexity and changing nature of the image changes, the bit-rate changes.
I just wondered if your video became "choppy" during your turns, on the original footage in the Webbie Cam, or just when you uploaded your clip to the vimeo website.
If your video was choppy, in turns with the original footage, you might need a faster ie. high speed Memory Speed PRO duo flash card.
This might be the problem for for 2thDr too. If your video with the Sony Webbie cam is choppy (and mine is smootheven when I fly a loop with my Ascent) the problem might be a slow speed Memory Stick card. My video is very stable, even in steep banks on a sailplane. I will try and upload a clip to Vimeo soon.
Here is the SanDisk flash card I am using now in my Webbie Cam. A 4GB card for only $29.00
http://www.jr.com/sandisk/pe/SAD_SDMSPD4096A/
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ps.Cschwie: I just watched your second video on Vimeo (the one that locks up!) I didn't realize you are flying with a FPV setup, and video goggles. WOW. Could you list all the components you used in this setup? I think the Sony Webbie Cam would be great for FPV, if you can transmit video in real time to ground based video goggles!
Your video on Vimeo is great! How high were you flying? Did you use a spotter with binoculars? One thing I noticed is that the video is very stable, except when you start a banked turned.
The AVC codec is a variable bit rate; ie as the complexity and changing nature of the image changes, the bit-rate changes.
I just wondered if your video became "choppy" during your turns, on the original footage in the Webbie Cam, or just when you uploaded your clip to the vimeo website.
If your video was choppy, in turns with the original footage, you might need a faster ie. high speed Memory Speed PRO duo flash card.
This might be the problem for for 2thDr too. If your video with the Sony Webbie cam is choppy (and mine is smootheven when I fly a loop with my Ascent) the problem might be a slow speed Memory Stick card. My video is very stable, even in steep banks on a sailplane. I will try and upload a clip to Vimeo soon.
Here is the SanDisk flash card I am using now in my Webbie Cam. A 4GB card for only $29.00
http://www.jr.com/sandisk/pe/SAD_SDMSPD4096A/
320pilot
ps.Cschwie: I just watched your second video on Vimeo (the one that locks up!) I didn't realize you are flying with a FPV setup, and video goggles. WOW. Could you list all the components you used in this setup? I think the Sony Webbie Cam would be great for FPV, if you can transmit video in real time to ground based video goggles!
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
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ps, regarding 2thDr, I thought the image stabilization works very well, on my sailplane. Quality is much better than the FlyCamOne2 I had before. Of course, on my Trex 500 there may be more vibration.
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ps, regarding 2thDr, I thought the image stabilization works very well, on my sailplane. Quality is much better than the FlyCamOne2 I had before. Of course, on my Trex 500 there may be more vibration.
What image stabilization? I don't see anywhere in the manual or on the box where it claims that the Webbie camera uses "Steadyshot" image stabilization like other Sony camcorders do.
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
Well, I have shooted a few videos and look great, only issue is the waiving effect (with a Blade 400), so far I am very pleased with the webbie.
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
2thDr,
You are right, the Webbie Cam does not have image stabilization. All the same, the video I shot, with my Ascent looks great. Still trying to upload the video clip to Vimeo.
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You are right, the Webbie Cam does not have image stabilization. All the same, the video I shot, with my Ascent looks great. Still trying to upload the video clip to Vimeo.
320pilot
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
I would like to try out this HD camcorder........it has image stabilization and it records to an SDmemory card.....
http://sanyo.com/xacti/english/produ...th1/index.html
They also have a version that shoots 1080 resolution at 60 fps (also with image stabilization).
http://sanyo.com/xacti/english/produ...th1/index.html
They also have a version that shoots 1080 resolution at 60 fps (also with image stabilization).
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RE: Sony webbie anyone?
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I just wondered if your video became "choppy" during your turns, on the original footage in the Webbie Cam, or just when you uploaded your clip to the vimeo website.
If your video was choppy, in turns with the original footage, you might need a faster ie. high speed Memory Speed PRO duo flash card.
ps.Cschwie: I just watched your second video on Vimeo (the one that locks up!) I didn't realize you are flying with a FPV setup, and video goggles. WOW. Could you list all the components you used in this setup? I think the Sony Webbie Cam would be great for FPV, if you can transmit video in real time to ground based video goggles!
I just wondered if your video became "choppy" during your turns, on the original footage in the Webbie Cam, or just when you uploaded your clip to the vimeo website.
If your video was choppy, in turns with the original footage, you might need a faster ie. high speed Memory Speed PRO duo flash card.
ps.Cschwie: I just watched your second video on Vimeo (the one that locks up!) I didn't realize you are flying with a FPV setup, and video goggles. WOW. Could you list all the components you used in this setup? I think the Sony Webbie Cam would be great for FPV, if you can transmit video in real time to ground based video goggles!
Thank you for the feedback. The video as played from the Webbie onto a TV isn't choppy. However, Ican't compare it to the Vimeo video since my computer doesn't have the video processing power for HDand the video is VERY choppy. The MP4 is fine at my work (but Ican't use Vimeo there). Perhaps this is what you're experiencing. Can you view other HDvideo on your computer? I'm using a memory speed PRO duo flash card but I've also picked up an adaptor for use with an SDHC card. Perhaps you can download the raw file from Vimeo as Ithink it's straight from the camera.
For FPV I'm using . . . 1 watt Lawmate 2.4 GHz a/v TX with pigtail, 2 Lawmate RX with dipole antennas, Oracle diversity, Headplay goggles, and Eagle Tree OSD. The system was vastly improved just by switching to the Sony Webbie versus the typical security cameras. Now remote flying is much more enjoyable with a good image.
I don't get back here often so sorry if I reply late or not at all.
