Go Back  RCU Forums > RC Airplanes > Aerodynamics
 UAV/Small craft aerodynamics >

UAV/Small craft aerodynamics

Community
Search
Notices
Aerodynamics Discuss the physics of flight revolving around the aerodynamics and design of aircraft.

UAV/Small craft aerodynamics

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-01-2008 | 12:43 PM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: , FL
Default UAV/Small craft aerodynamics

I'll soon be training on a UAV with a GW around 400 lbs and a pusher power plant. I have heard in the past that the aerodynamics of small /rc aircraft are different than "full scale". Have no idea how or why that would be, but I can say my experience thus far trying to land this thing from a GS leads me to believe it's true. It really does seem to handle differently, some of the difference is control response delay+ the fact it's a pusher-- but I'm wondering if there is something else I'm not aware of. I seem to have had best results when I "drive" it ;instead of flying it.. some may understand what I mean. All I know is it's a *****, thing gets tossed around like a rag doll.

thanks for any input- i really know nothing about rc flying
Old 03-01-2008 | 12:52 PM
  #2  
BMatthews's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 12,432
Likes: 0
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
From: Chilliwack, BC, CANADA
Default RE: UAV/Small craft aerodynamics

400 lbs is WAY more than we deal with in RC. YOu're into Ulltralight territory witth that one. Full sized "rules" willl definetly apply. If it's getting kicked around then it's due to the design choices made by the design team and not related to it's size. But there's no doubt that the key element, the reynolds number operating range, is going to be similar to experimental homebuilts and ultralight aircraft and likely an order of magnitude over what us RC guys deal with.
Old 03-01-2008 | 01:05 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: Bryant Pond, ME
Default RE: UAV/Small craft aerodynamics

I would agree with the above. At 400 # it should act much like a full scale. In fact a 1/4 scale piper cub at 15 or 20# or so will handle quite scalelike I am told. I do not quite understand the reason there is a difference in size,but I know that is the case. Take for example the way a real small model [1# or so] and compare with a 1/4 scale bird and you would see a lot of difference in the way it responds to commands.
Old 03-01-2008 | 07:51 PM
  #4  
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: , FL
Default RE: UAV/Small craft aerodynamics

Thanks, everything is relative lol... when I think 400 lbs I think small. At altitude its very stable, on final....not so much. A 12 kt cross wind i normally wouldnt give a second thought too blows it all over..
Old 03-02-2008 | 12:56 PM
  #5  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,211
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
From: Palmdale, CA
Default RE: UAV/Small craft aerodynamics

Sounds like your approach speed is too low.
I'd bump it up to keep more positive control during landing.
Old 03-02-2008 | 11:52 PM
  #6  
BMatthews's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 12,432
Likes: 0
Received 28 Likes on 24 Posts
From: Chilliwack, BC, CANADA
Default RE: UAV/Small craft aerodynamics

ORIGINAL: aviation_infadel

Thanks, everything is relative lol... when I think 400 lbs I think small. At altitude its very stable, on final....not so much. A 12 kt cross wind i normally wouldnt give a second thought too blows it all over..
A 12 knot crosswind would likely give fits to an ultralight pilot as well. But their ability to correct by "seat of the pants" feel from being right there would be more immediate. Likely because you're out of that physical contact loop and have to rely on seeing a crosswind caused displacement before you can react to it is what is causing your issue. A pilot on board would feel it long before a video or transponder needle would show enough effect to make you react. In this matter us RC pilots DO share in the same issue since we react to our models being displaced and then have to deal with it. But once we see the model is moving in an unwanted way there's already momentum and significant displacement involved so we need to damp that motion and correct the heading or pitch movement. Again, a pilot on board would feel such a displacement during it's first accelerative moments and react to them before any significant unwanted movement occurs.

So your own flying of full sized aircraft is actually leading you to expect something that isn't there when piloting a remote craft.

Perhaps rate gyros such as wel use in our RC helicopters and I'm sure are used in a fancier package in the UAV industry could be used to replace the "feel by buttocks" seat of the pant deal for such corrections.

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.