Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
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Congrats Smarks,
I see you went with the tail servo also. I wanted to know what Duralite batteries your using? lipo\limang? How big 1500, 2200? I also see your using a Dcup, with the Duralites delivering 20c I would think the Dcup is not needed, but maybe your not running duals?
Let me know.... Greg
I see you went with the tail servo also. I wanted to know what Duralite batteries your using? lipo\limang? How big 1500, 2200? I also see your using a Dcup, with the Duralites delivering 20c I would think the Dcup is not needed, but maybe your not running duals?
Let me know.... Greg
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
ORIGINAL: Paul Cataldo
Hey guys,
I've got a question about the DA85 throttle setup, that I'd like to ask you all.
I was wondering how many of you are hooking up the pushrod to the throttle with a 2-56 ball link, and how many of you are hooking up the throttle with a 4-40 ball link???
Is that what you guys are using? (regular Rocket City or Dubro styled ball links with the black nylon slipped over the brass ball with hole drilled in it?????)
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Are you guys using the other type of ball links, where you have the spherical brass ball "post", where the clear plastic nylon part slips over the brass ball?
I have noticed that even a 2-56 Rocket City type ball link is VERY tight fit, and only allows the throttle servo to be mounted in one specific location.
Not a big deal, but I just wanted to see how everyone else hooked up their throttle pushrod?????
I cannot even find a Nelson Hobbies 2-56 ball link, part # RCL77B.
Anyone know where I can find one??? Nelson does not have any in stock right now....I would prefer the Nelson 2-56 ball link, instead of the Dubro one.....
Hey guys,
I've got a question about the DA85 throttle setup, that I'd like to ask you all.
I was wondering how many of you are hooking up the pushrod to the throttle with a 2-56 ball link, and how many of you are hooking up the throttle with a 4-40 ball link???
Is that what you guys are using? (regular Rocket City or Dubro styled ball links with the black nylon slipped over the brass ball with hole drilled in it?????)
OR
Are you guys using the other type of ball links, where you have the spherical brass ball "post", where the clear plastic nylon part slips over the brass ball?
I have noticed that even a 2-56 Rocket City type ball link is VERY tight fit, and only allows the throttle servo to be mounted in one specific location.
Not a big deal, but I just wanted to see how everyone else hooked up their throttle pushrod?????
I cannot even find a Nelson Hobbies 2-56 ball link, part # RCL77B.
Anyone know where I can find one??? Nelson does not have any in stock right now....I would prefer the Nelson 2-56 ball link, instead of the Dubro one.....
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
ORIGINAL: bleesweb
Joe,
What size pro links did you use for the extra? I would like to use them all around and on the rudder in the tail. Also what size Vess prop are you using on the DA-85?
Joe,
What size pro links did you use for the extra? I would like to use them all around and on the rudder in the tail. Also what size Vess prop are you using on the DA-85?
Rudder: 4.5"
Elevators: 2.5"
Ailerons: 3"
03-01-2008, 08:03 PM
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
ORIGINAL: Rod Bender
Congrats Smarks,
I see you went with the tail servo also. I wanted to know what Duralite batteries your using? lipo\limang? How big 1500, 2200? I also see your using a Dcup, with the Duralites delivering 20c I would think the Dcup is not needed, but maybe your not running duals?
Let me know.... Greg
Congrats Smarks,
I see you went with the tail servo also. I wanted to know what Duralite batteries your using? lipo\limang? How big 1500, 2200? I also see your using a Dcup, with the Duralites delivering 20c I would think the Dcup is not needed, but maybe your not running duals?
Let me know.... Greg
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
Smarks- What servo are you using in the tail on the rudder? Nice looking plane, this may be my next plane, I have two AW planes I have the 50cc Yak and the 75cc Yak but just may spring for the 260.
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
Thanks Greg! Yes, servo in the tail. Using dual Duralite LiMn Hi current Rx batts 2200mah.
Ya, timing is everything. I talked to Jack at Duralite this past week, and those 2200LiMn....... On backorder till early April. I'm tempted to go with dual 1500's, but I know I'm gonna have days where 5 flights is not going to be enough, and would like the 2200...
Ya, timing is everything. I talked to Jack at Duralite this past week, and those 2200LiMn....... On backorder till early April. I'm tempted to go with dual 1500's, but I know I'm gonna have days where 5 flights is not going to be enough, and would like the 2200...
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
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Smarks- What servo are you using in the tail on the rudder? Nice looking plane, this may be my next plane, I have two AW planes I have the 50cc Yak and the 75cc Yak but just may spring for the 260.
Smarks- What servo are you using in the tail on the rudder? Nice looking plane, this may be my next plane, I have two AW planes I have the 50cc Yak and the 75cc Yak but just may spring for the 260.
03-02-2008, 12:52 PM
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
ORIGINAL: Rod Bender
Ya, timing is everything. I talked to Jack at Duralite this past week, and those 2200LiMn....... On backorder till early April. I'm tempted to go with dual 1500's, but I know I'm gonna have days where 5 flights is not going to be enough, and would like the 2200...
Ya, timing is everything. I talked to Jack at Duralite this past week, and those 2200LiMn....... On backorder till early April. I'm tempted to go with dual 1500's, but I know I'm gonna have days where 5 flights is not going to be enough, and would like the 2200...
] The 1500's would work fine if you don't mind charging at the field on a long day. They are lighter and cheaper!
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
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Thanks gregman! I am running 8711's all around. I have the 75cc Yak as well. Love it.
Thanks gregman! I am running 8711's all around. I have the 75cc Yak as well. Love it.
Smarks,
Are you running a DA85 on the Yak as well?
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
Who here disconnected the throttle spring on the DA85 to get the load off the throttle servo?
Is this something I should do?
I'm trying to decide if I need to CUT the springs arm where it sticks through the silver and red throttle arms, OR if there is a way to get the arm loose, WITHOUT cutting it???
What did you guys do?
Is this something I should do?
I'm trying to decide if I need to CUT the springs arm where it sticks through the silver and red throttle arms, OR if there is a way to get the arm loose, WITHOUT cutting it???
What did you guys do?
03-02-2008, 04:45 PM
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
I released the spring tension. All I did was take a small screw driver and managed to move it off the arm to release the tension. I didn't have to cut it. Releasing the spring tension is completely a personal choice as you will read here:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6768701
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6768701
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
Hey Guys! Trying to fix the tail wheel/rudder tension conflict. I bought the cobalt drill bits and still having a VERY tough time drilling into the hardened metal control arm. Any tricks or tips? Love this plane. Plenty of power. AUW of 22lbs even. DA85 oversized JTEC pitts muffler.
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I drilled out the arm on two planes and didn't have much trouble. I honestly don't know what kind of drill bit I used. I bought it a while ago. The first one I did was like butter. The second one I actually broke one bit but was able to use another one I had. I don't think the bit I used was a cobalt bit. It was kind of bright silver in color. Those cobalt bits are black I think. So it must have been a titanium coated bit or something. Not positive though. If the cobalt bits won't drill it, go somewhere other than Home Depot to get a stronger, harder bit. My local Home Depot doesn't carry a wide selection of specialized bits. Somewhere like Ace Hardware should have them, but not positive. Lowe's may even have something. Sorry not much help! Good luck. 
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
MSC and other industrial supply houses have quality cobalt bits. Most cobalt bits are NOT black, but some are. Black colored drill bits don't classify their type, but rather their coatings generally speaking.
I would like to ask WHAT exactly are you guys trying to do, by drilling out the rudder control horns on this plane??? You are referring to the 4 control horn halves that screw into the rudder, correct? What is the purpose behind drilling them out?
The best solution for a tailwheel setup is an RC Blimp titanium haigh style tailwheel.
Also, regardless of WHICH tailwheel you use, the Aerobatic Concepts Tailwheel springs and hookup wires are simply a necessity on ANY plane, IMO...
I would like to ask WHAT exactly are you guys trying to do, by drilling out the rudder control horns on this plane??? You are referring to the 4 control horn halves that screw into the rudder, correct? What is the purpose behind drilling them out?
The best solution for a tailwheel setup is an RC Blimp titanium haigh style tailwheel.
Also, regardless of WHICH tailwheel you use, the Aerobatic Concepts Tailwheel springs and hookup wires are simply a necessity on ANY plane, IMO...
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
Paul, we are talking about the mod Joe hunt posted on 11/27/2007 earlier in this thread. The goal of the mod was to relieve the tension placed on the rudder servo by the stock tailwheel setup. In flight, the rudder has to overcome the spring tension of the tailwheel. Joe's mod equals no extra load on the rudder servo and even more positve tailwheel control.
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
Paul - Check these out:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6654875
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6670767
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6671105
It works great. I don't even use springs on the second one I did. It provides excellent ground handling, tight turning radius and puts no extra load on the rudder servo in the air.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6654875
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6670767
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6671105
It works great. I don't even use springs on the second one I did. It provides excellent ground handling, tight turning radius and puts no extra load on the rudder servo in the air.
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
I purchased the entire CF package for this plane. Have not even opened that box as of yet. It looks to be that Smarks is using the stock one and Joe is using the CF one, is the geometry different between the two?
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
ORIGINAL: Rod Bender
I purchased the entire CF package for this plane. Have not even opened that box as of yet. It looks to be that Smarks is using the stock one and Joe is using the CF one, is the geometry different between the two?
I purchased the entire CF package for this plane. Have not even opened that box as of yet. It looks to be that Smarks is using the stock one and Joe is using the CF one, is the geometry different between the two?
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
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As long as the control arm and tiller arm are the same width and the control arm is in the hinge line, the geometry will always be right.
As long as the control arm and tiller arm are the same width and the control arm is in the hinge line, the geometry will always be right.
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
Hi All...
I have mine ready to go other than radio set-up. Although I'm not new to setting up large airplanes, I am new to things like flight modes and extreme throws. I realize there are about as many set-ups as there are pilots but I need general rule to thumb for setting up for IMAC and 3D. My thought is to set the mechanical throws for 3D then dial the ATV's back for desired throws for IMAC. Would this screw up my resolution on the servos? I'm using JR 9303 with 9711's on all but throttle and choke.
I do mostly IMAC but want to learn more 3D stuff. Ideally, a different aircraft for each would be in order but I have no time to get another ready.
Any ideas would be great!
Lyle
I have mine ready to go other than radio set-up. Although I'm not new to setting up large airplanes, I am new to things like flight modes and extreme throws. I realize there are about as many set-ups as there are pilots but I need general rule to thumb for setting up for IMAC and 3D. My thought is to set the mechanical throws for 3D then dial the ATV's back for desired throws for IMAC. Would this screw up my resolution on the servos? I'm using JR 9303 with 9711's on all but throttle and choke.
I do mostly IMAC but want to learn more 3D stuff. Ideally, a different aircraft for each would be in order but I have no time to get another ready.
Any ideas would be great!
Lyle
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
Lyle,
From what I've learned in the past 2.5yrs since returning to this sport is yes, it would affect your resolution. Go with smaller servo arms to get as much travel out of your servo's as possible. After your dialed in on your CG and trim, and feel comfortable with the plane, then change your servo arms to the 3D length advised, and lower your ATV's, and gradually increase with your comfort level...... That's what I'm gonna do on this one..... Greg
From what I've learned in the past 2.5yrs since returning to this sport is yes, it would affect your resolution. Go with smaller servo arms to get as much travel out of your servo's as possible. After your dialed in on your CG and trim, and feel comfortable with the plane, then change your servo arms to the 3D length advised, and lower your ATV's, and gradually increase with your comfort level...... That's what I'm gonna do on this one..... Greg
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RE: Aeroworks 96" Extra 260 ARF QB Assembly
If you are planning on flying 3D you have no choice. Besides, I know only a handful of pilots in my area that could truly "feel" the difference in resolution. The set-up you are using will give you 2048 with this set-up, which is very high.
The key is to make sure you have just enough to get your 3D throws, don't go overboard. My setup has my endpoints at over 120% on all surfaces. This will make sure you are getting the max resolution when you dial the dual rates down.
That's the key, maximum mechanical advantage. You also want to make sure that your surfaces are matched at 4 or more points. This ensures you are moving the surfaces evenly. Once you have the endpoints matched at 100% dual rates, I usually go in steps of 20% to make sure they match. So check them at 80, 60, 40, and 20 also to make sure they are the same through the entire range. If you do this, you will be good to go and will be hard pressed to set it up better.
The key is to make sure you have just enough to get your 3D throws, don't go overboard. My setup has my endpoints at over 120% on all surfaces. This will make sure you are getting the max resolution when you dial the dual rates down.
That's the key, maximum mechanical advantage. You also want to make sure that your surfaces are matched at 4 or more points. This ensures you are moving the surfaces evenly. Once you have the endpoints matched at 100% dual rates, I usually go in steps of 20% to make sure they match. So check them at 80, 60, 40, and 20 also to make sure they are the same through the entire range. If you do this, you will be good to go and will be hard pressed to set it up better.
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Hi All...
I have mine ready to go other than radio set-up. Although I'm not new to setting up large airplanes, I am new to things like flight modes and extreme throws. I realize there are about as many set-ups as there are pilots but I need general rule to thumb for setting up for IMAC and 3D. My thought is to set the mechanical throws for 3D then dial the ATV's back for desired throws for IMAC. Would this screw up my resolution on the servos? I'm using JR 9303 with 9711's on all but throttle and choke.
I do mostly IMAC but want to learn more 3D stuff. Ideally, a different aircraft for each would be in order but I have no time to get another ready.
Any ideas would be great!
Lyle
Hi All...
I have mine ready to go other than radio set-up. Although I'm not new to setting up large airplanes, I am new to things like flight modes and extreme throws. I realize there are about as many set-ups as there are pilots but I need general rule to thumb for setting up for IMAC and 3D. My thought is to set the mechanical throws for 3D then dial the ATV's back for desired throws for IMAC. Would this screw up my resolution on the servos? I'm using JR 9303 with 9711's on all but throttle and choke.
I do mostly IMAC but want to learn more 3D stuff. Ideally, a different aircraft for each would be in order but I have no time to get another ready.
Any ideas would be great!
Lyle