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Old 07-18-2006 | 11:30 PM
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At a small airport just south of here, this Citation came in too fast and floated most of the runway. He went off the end moving pretty fast and tore the gear out. Luckily, noone was hurt. I hear tale that the owner was sitting at the airport watching waiting for the plane to come in. That would suck! There have been a few jets have accidents at this airport. It is pretty short and a little tight. This plane should have had no problem though.

Not fun, but at least noone got hurt.
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Old 07-19-2006 | 11:30 AM
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Ouch !!

That's gonna be expensive....

Reminds me of a Citation II I had to repair once, when I was working in GA maintenance in Caracas, Venezuela.

The Citation was taxiing out from the ramp towards the taxiway, for departure.
When the r/h main gear rolled over a man-hole cover, it broke through, and tore out the gear...
Turned out, the the supports for the manhole cover had partially rusted away, and were too weak to support the weight of the Citation.

Since on the Citation the mains are attached to the structure of the outer wing panels, we had to replace the whole wing, and of course the landing gear and associated hardware.
Funny thing is, that since the wing and landing gear were replaced, the whole incident was not rated as a major repair, but as "component change"....
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That is one phone call I would for sure not want to make!!
Old 07-24-2006 | 12:47 PM
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Great post. OOOOOF! Like to have heard what the pilot said at the end of the runway...
Old 07-24-2006 | 02:35 PM
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Oh, that looks '$pensive..

Glad no one was hurt, but reckon it's gonna make getting that big airline job a bit tougher.....
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I imagine it will. I would feel bad, but the pilot was arrogant as heck. I would think when you do that, you would want to show a great deal of modesty.
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I imagine it will. I would feel bad, but the pilot was arrogant as heck. I would think when you do that, you would want to show a great deal of modesty.
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I imagine it will. I would feel bad, but the pilot was arrogant as heck. I would think when you do that, you would want to show a great deal of modesty.
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Old 07-25-2006 | 06:17 PM
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Just heard second hand that he was there when they plucked it out, and he was acting very arrogant and telling everyone it was his jet, but they all knew better. The guys said he was a pain to talk to. Seems odd to act like that right after you ding a plane.
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Which airport is that?

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I wonder if the actual owner told the guy since he thought it was his airplane that maybe he wouldn;t mind paying the bill to fix it.
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I wouldn't want to get in it if it were fixed. You don't know what internal damage it caused. It could do a payne Stewart and blow a bulkhead on climbout and you are toast, or the wing mounts could be fractured and it won't show up for years. I remember a 421 that had a hard landing and no damage. 11 years later a guy was straight and level at 1000 feet in smooth air and the wing came off. They traced it back to a crack that occured during that hard landing from the inspection logs they did on the hard landing inspection.
Old 08-01-2006 | 11:12 AM
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Just heard second hand that he was there when they plucked it out, and he was acting very arrogant and telling everyone it was his jet, but they all knew better. The guys said he was a pain to talk to. Seems odd to act like that right after you ding a plane.
Hmm... maybe the pre-accident owner invoked the "You broke it, you bought it" rule?
Old 08-12-2006 | 06:36 PM
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I wouldn't want to get in it if it were fixed. You don't know what internal damage it caused. It could do a payne Stewart and blow a bulkhead on climbout and you are toast, or the wing mounts could be fractured and it won't show up for years. I remember a 421 that had a hard landing and no damage. 11 years later a guy was straight and level at 1000 feet in smooth air and the wing came off. They traced it back to a crack that occured during that hard landing from the inspection logs they did on the hard landing inspection.
That should not have happened !
Even if the wing failure is directly related to the crashh 11 yrs previous, which I doubt....
On that Citation I mentioned, once the damaged wing was off, we had to inspect the wing attachment points with 3 different methods :
Flourescent dye penetrant, eddy current and x-rays ! The same applied for the main gear attachment poits in the undamaged wing.
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On July 10, 2006, approximately 1045 mountain daylight time, a Cessna Citation 560, N50CV, encountered rough/soft terrain after it overran the end of the runway while landing at Ravalli County Airport, Hamilton, Montana. The airline transport pilot and his passenger were not injured, but the aircraft, which is owned and operated by River City Flying Service, sustained substantial damage. The 14 CFR Part 91 executive/corporate flight, which departed Visalia, California, at 0815 Pacific daylight time, was being operated in visual meteorological conditions on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight plan.

According to witnesses, after the landing flare, the aircraft remained airborne and floated to a point about 1,500 feet down the 4,200 foot runway before touching down. Soon after touching down, the aircraft began to slow, but it did not stop until after it had departed the end of the runway, crossing over a grassy area and a ditch, and then entering a swamp.
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I'll explain it to the boss- ah boss, yeah, I went off the end of the runway and have no idea why. I mean the sky was clear in visual rules, so I really couldn't screw up. >>>>actualy you kinda feel bad- I doubt he has a job flying a lear anymore....

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