More AMA Forum Displeasure:
01-26-2011, 12:11 PM
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More AMA Forum Displeasure:
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Reference the AMA Forum subforum "Forum suggestions", I posted the following. (It well may already be gone. HA!) Added: IT IS.
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As an AMA member of some 60 years +/- a year or so, I suggest this forum be renamed the Private Property of Frank "Muroc" and "Arbo". Since they have complete control of everything presented here, and the forum has degenerated to Muroc's total control, I see no reason why the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA) should be condemned to the thoughts of one self-perpetuated individual that struggles to be the master of a very fine organization designed to promote the sport-hobby of all aeromodeling.
Once the renaming takes place then the AMA should no longer finance any part of this "forum".
This message also sent to selected AMA officers.
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ARBO:
"Horrace,
I have removed the thread you started. It is a clear violation of the rules of the forum. If you continue down this path, you will be issued a 30 day ban from the site.
I don't know what your problem is, but the reality is there is a set of rules for the site, put down by those high up at the AMA, and a few people that are tasked with ensuring the rules as put out, are followed.
I expect better from a Leader Member.
Paul "
01-26-2011, 01:37 PM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
If the Republicans or Democrates had total control of what was written and or posted on RCU......
Would anything, from the "other" side ............even be allowed?
I have seen moderators take sides, depending on the subject,
and oppress the "other sides" point of view, just because it was not their point of view.
God Bless You Horrace.... for reminding us that govt's both large and small.....
fall prey to the same sins.... that our founding fathers fought against.....
tyranny,oppression, and the.... we are right......... JUST BECAUSE WE SAY SO! crowd.
Just consider how history would have turned out, if the "otherside" never ever had their say:
Racisim?
Nazism?
Communism?
Womens rights?
immigration?
Guns?
The AMA is a part of our model aircraft gov't...they need to hear and read what we think, regardless of how we think it, or worse, whos thinking it. Please...... don't shoot the messengers.
Would anything, from the "other" side ............even be allowed?
I have seen moderators take sides, depending on the subject,
and oppress the "other sides" point of view, just because it was not their point of view.
God Bless You Horrace.... for reminding us that govt's both large and small.....
fall prey to the same sins.... that our founding fathers fought against.....
tyranny,oppression, and the.... we are right......... JUST BECAUSE WE SAY SO! crowd.
Just consider how history would have turned out, if the "otherside" never ever had their say:
Racisim?
Nazism?
Communism?
Womens rights?
immigration?
Guns?
The AMA is a part of our model aircraft gov't...they need to hear and read what we think, regardless of how we think it, or worse, whos thinking it. Please...... don't shoot the messengers.
01-26-2011, 01:54 PM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
LOL.................... When Arbo was made a moderator after coming off a 30 day ban on the AMA Forum, the regulars here jumped for joy......... But now that he is moderating some of their posts and threads, my how the attitude changes.
Too funny........................
Too funny........................
01-26-2011, 03:08 PM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
but the reality is there is a set of rules for the site, put down by those high up at the AMA, and a few people that are tasked with ensuring the rules as put out, are followed.
I seem to recall a whole passel of posts by a few folks were deleted,
then when more post replaced them, they too were deleted,
and then some more got deleted in their place,
and when it was eventually asked just why all them posts were deleted over a few days
we then saw Muroc create a new rule (of his??) and point to that as to why posts were deleted days before the rule
(changing one subforums rules to include some rule specific to a different subforum)
Arbo
I also recall having you preview and ok a post to make sure it wouldnt get 'secret police' deleted,
and you probably recall it was indeed mysteriously deleted after you gave it a clean bill of health.
so, if you say it was not in violation of the rules handed down from on high,
then just what the heck was going on when it got deleted by moderator/s ... what, acting on their own agenda?
01-26-2011, 06:47 PM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
When Arbo was made a moderator after coming off a 30 day ban on the AMA Forum, the regulars here jumped for joy......... But now that he is moderating some of their posts and threads, my how the attitude changes.
01-26-2011, 08:06 PM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
ORIGINAL: PLANE JIM
The AMA forum is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate to agree with Horrace-but I do on this one-BECAUSE HE IS RIGHT
The AMA forum is a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate to agree with Horrace-but I do on this one-BECAUSE HE IS RIGHT
01-27-2011, 07:13 AM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
Looks like the AMA Forum is doing a pretty good job of moderation judging by the posts here by those that don't like it. [sm=cry_smile.gif][sm=cry_smile.gif]
01-27-2011, 08:10 AM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
Brad
so you are happy with the AMA board banning every Tom Dick & Harry... yet they havent found a reason to ban ole Kid Epoxy in the year plus they've been operating and I've been posting there? If you take a look at the ban club there, with folks like Huber Hoss Red & Arbo etc, seems the guy that hasnt broken the rules to get banned is the one you want silenced the most.... how does that fit: You have a problem with the guy that is obeying the rules so would you say you are in sync with what the AMA actually allows?
Its like the other recent thread-
Perhaps the guy that is getting over half of his posts deleted last quarter should get banned for REPEATEDLY breaking the rules
(since we are of course assuming the posts were deleted due to a violation and not agenda).
So, why is the AMA protecting KidEpoxy from getting a ban if he is habitually violating the rules with his posts?
One theory: he isnt actually violating anything, his posts are getting agenda deleted by the secret police.
Another theory: AMA loves what KE is doing and protects him from the ban other habitual violators would get.
Yet another theory: Incompetence of the banners? They just dont know whats going on??? ... or would that be Clueless? Either way, it would be a very insulting opinion of the AMA, if one opines that this is why KE dont get banned for his habitual (supposed) violations.
Any other theories why gobs and gobs of KE posts get stealth deleted on our AMA board
yet KE is never brought to stand on the carpet for ALL those (supposed) violations?
Violate, Rinse, Repeat: the AMA board way?
so you are happy with the AMA board banning every Tom Dick & Harry... yet they havent found a reason to ban ole Kid Epoxy in the year plus they've been operating and I've been posting there? If you take a look at the ban club there, with folks like Huber Hoss Red & Arbo etc, seems the guy that hasnt broken the rules to get banned is the one you want silenced the most.... how does that fit: You have a problem with the guy that is obeying the rules so would you say you are in sync with what the AMA actually allows?
Its like the other recent thread-
Perhaps the guy that is getting over half of his posts deleted last quarter should get banned for REPEATEDLY breaking the rules
(since we are of course assuming the posts were deleted due to a violation and not agenda).
So, why is the AMA protecting KidEpoxy from getting a ban if he is habitually violating the rules with his posts?
One theory: he isnt actually violating anything, his posts are getting agenda deleted by the secret police.
Another theory: AMA loves what KE is doing and protects him from the ban other habitual violators would get.
Yet another theory: Incompetence of the banners? They just dont know whats going on??? ... or would that be Clueless? Either way, it would be a very insulting opinion of the AMA, if one opines that this is why KE dont get banned for his habitual (supposed) violations.
Any other theories why gobs and gobs of KE posts get stealth deleted on our AMA board
yet KE is never brought to stand on the carpet for ALL those (supposed) violations?
Violate, Rinse, Repeat: the AMA board way?
01-27-2011, 08:50 AM
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Brad
so you are happy with the AMA board banning every Tom Dick & Harry... yet they havent found a reason to ban ole Kid Epoxy in the year plus they've been operating and I've been posting there? If you take a look at the ban club there, with folks like Huber Hoss Red & Arbo etc, seems the guy that hasnt broken the rules to get banned is the one you want silenced the most.... how does that fit: You have a problem with the guy that is obeying the rules so would you say you are in sync with what the AMA actually allows?
Its like the other recent thread-
Perhaps the guy that is getting over half of his posts deleted last quarter should get banned for REPEATEDLY breaking the rules
(since we are of course assuming the posts were deleted due to a violation and not agenda).
So, why is the AMA protecting KidEpoxy from getting a ban if he is habitually violating the rules with his posts?
One theory: he isnt actually violating anything, his posts are getting agenda deleted by the secret police.
Another theory: AMA loves what KE is doing and protects him from the ban other habitual violators would get.
Yet another theory: Incompetence of the banners? They just dont know whats going on??? ... or would that be Clueless? Either way, it would be a very insulting opinion of the AMA, if one opines that this is why KE dont get banned for his habitual (supposed) violations.
Any other theories why gobs and gobs of KE posts get stealth deleted on our AMA board
yet KE is never brought to stand on the carpet for ALL those (supposed) violations?
Violate, Rinse, Repeat: the AMA board way?
Brad
so you are happy with the AMA board banning every Tom Dick & Harry... yet they havent found a reason to ban ole Kid Epoxy in the year plus they've been operating and I've been posting there? If you take a look at the ban club there, with folks like Huber Hoss Red & Arbo etc, seems the guy that hasnt broken the rules to get banned is the one you want silenced the most.... how does that fit: You have a problem with the guy that is obeying the rules so would you say you are in sync with what the AMA actually allows?
Its like the other recent thread-
Perhaps the guy that is getting over half of his posts deleted last quarter should get banned for REPEATEDLY breaking the rules
(since we are of course assuming the posts were deleted due to a violation and not agenda).
So, why is the AMA protecting KidEpoxy from getting a ban if he is habitually violating the rules with his posts?
One theory: he isnt actually violating anything, his posts are getting agenda deleted by the secret police.
Another theory: AMA loves what KE is doing and protects him from the ban other habitual violators would get.
Yet another theory: Incompetence of the banners? They just dont know whats going on??? ... or would that be Clueless? Either way, it would be a very insulting opinion of the AMA, if one opines that this is why KE dont get banned for his habitual (supposed) violations.
Any other theories why gobs and gobs of KE posts get stealth deleted on our AMA board
yet KE is never brought to stand on the carpet for ALL those (supposed) violations?
Violate, Rinse, Repeat: the AMA board way?
I have had many posts deleted and even threads closed on the AMA Forum.......... but I don't whine about it on other forums like some do here.......................... So you got moderated.......... so what! man up.
Brad
01-27-2011, 09:45 AM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
Any other theories why gobs and gobs of KE posts get stealth deleted on our AMA board
yet KE is never brought to stand on the carpet for ALL those (supposed) violations?
Any other theories why gobs and gobs of KE posts get stealth deleted on our AMA board
yet KE is never brought to stand on the carpet for ALL those (supposed) violations?
Regards
Frank
01-27-2011, 05:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: bradpaul
I have had many posts deleted and even threads closed on the AMA Forum.......... but I don't whine about it on other forums like some do here.......................... So you got moderated.......... so what! man up.
Brad
I have had many posts deleted and even threads closed on the AMA Forum.......... but I don't whine about it on other forums like some do here.......................... So you got moderated.......... so what! man up.
Brad
Hmmm... sounds like they forgot to ban you for all the threads and posts they have to keep removing because of you... Hmmm... more proof the moderation is indeed broke over there... Oh well, sing merrily along, full of glee...
01-27-2011, 10:42 PM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
LCS
yup, sound like yet more Violate Rinse Repeat
guess the problem is bigger than I thought,
but I'm man enough to admit: per those testimonials it seems I underestimated how big the problem had gotten
How many posts are listed at our board, (8831)
what is currently the oldest still visible post, (one forum has msg41 still there)
and then look at the msg ID# of the most current post there, (12016)
.... for every 3 posts 1 gets deleted over there??? Does that sound high for a AMA member only board?
At first I thought the missing 3k posts must have been pruned off by old age,
till I saw msg41 hasnt met some age prunic demise.
yup, sound like yet more Violate Rinse Repeat
guess the problem is bigger than I thought,
but I'm man enough to admit: per those testimonials it seems I underestimated how big the problem had gotten
How many posts are listed at our board, (8831)
what is currently the oldest still visible post, (one forum has msg41 still there)
and then look at the msg ID# of the most current post there, (12016)
.... for every 3 posts 1 gets deleted over there??? Does that sound high for a AMA member only board?
At first I thought the missing 3k posts must have been pruned off by old age,
till I saw msg41 hasnt met some age prunic demise.
01-28-2011, 03:09 AM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
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LCS
yup, sound like yet more Violate Rinse Repeat
guess the problem is bigger than I thought,
but I'm man enough to admit: per those testimonials it seems I underestimated how big the problem had gotten
How many posts are listed at our board, (8831)
what is currently the oldest still visible post, (one forum has msg41 still there)
and then look at the msg ID# of the most current post there, (12016)
.... for every 3 posts 1 gets deleted over there??? Does that sound high for a AMA member only board?
At first I thought the missing 3k posts must have been pruned off by old age,
till I saw msg41 hasnt met some age prunic demise.
LCS
yup, sound like yet more Violate Rinse Repeat
guess the problem is bigger than I thought,
but I'm man enough to admit: per those testimonials it seems I underestimated how big the problem had gotten
How many posts are listed at our board, (8831)
what is currently the oldest still visible post, (one forum has msg41 still there)
and then look at the msg ID# of the most current post there, (12016)
.... for every 3 posts 1 gets deleted over there??? Does that sound high for a AMA member only board?
At first I thought the missing 3k posts must have been pruned off by old age,
till I saw msg41 hasnt met some age prunic demise.
Frank
01-28-2011, 07:14 AM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk
I believe your math is off by at least 688, but I see your point.
Frank
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LCS
yup, sound like yet more Violate Rinse Repeat
guess the problem is bigger than I thought,
but I'm man enough to admit: per those testimonials it seems I underestimated how big the problem had gotten
How many posts are listed at our board, (8831)
what is currently the oldest still visible post, (one forum has msg41 still there)
and then look at the msg ID# of the most current post there, (12016)
.... for every 3 posts 1 gets deleted over there??? Does that sound high for a AMA member only board?
At first I thought the missing 3k posts must have been pruned off by old age,
till I saw msg41 hasnt met some age prunic demise.
LCS
yup, sound like yet more Violate Rinse Repeat
guess the problem is bigger than I thought,
but I'm man enough to admit: per those testimonials it seems I underestimated how big the problem had gotten
How many posts are listed at our board, (8831)
what is currently the oldest still visible post, (one forum has msg41 still there)
and then look at the msg ID# of the most current post there, (12016)
.... for every 3 posts 1 gets deleted over there??? Does that sound high for a AMA member only board?
At first I thought the missing 3k posts must have been pruned off by old age,
till I saw msg41 hasnt met some age prunic demise.
Frank
Heck the deleted posts from "the ferret" (who was also banned here BTW) probably make up about 2000 of the missing posts.
01-28-2011, 08:11 AM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
ORIGINAL: bradpaul
Heck the deleted posts from ''the ferret'' (who was also banned here BTW) probably make up about 2000 of the missing posts.
ORIGINAL: phlpsfrnk
I believe your math is off by at least 688, but I see your point.
Frank
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
LCS
yup, sound like yet more Violate Rinse Repeat
guess the problem is bigger than I thought,
but I'm man enough to admit: per those testimonials it seems I underestimated how big the problem had gotten
How many posts are listed at our board, (8831)
what is currently the oldest still visible post, (one forum has msg41 still there)
and then look at the msg ID# of the most current post there, (12016)
.... for every 3 posts 1 gets deleted over there??? Does that sound high for a AMA member only board?
At first I thought the missing 3k posts must have been pruned off by old age,
till I saw msg41 hasnt met some age prunic demise.
LCS
yup, sound like yet more Violate Rinse Repeat
guess the problem is bigger than I thought,
but I'm man enough to admit: per those testimonials it seems I underestimated how big the problem had gotten
How many posts are listed at our board, (8831)
what is currently the oldest still visible post, (one forum has msg41 still there)
and then look at the msg ID# of the most current post there, (12016)
.... for every 3 posts 1 gets deleted over there??? Does that sound high for a AMA member only board?
At first I thought the missing 3k posts must have been pruned off by old age,
till I saw msg41 hasnt met some age prunic demise.
Frank
Heck the deleted posts from ''the ferret'' (who was also banned here BTW) probably make up about 2000 of the missing posts.
Regards
Frank
01-28-2011, 08:36 AM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
Hoss, I tried to warn people a long time ago about what muroc's intentions were, and only a few listened. Now ya know what he really is.
01-28-2011, 10:44 PM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
Heck the deleted posts from "the ferret" (who was also banned here BTW) probably make up about 2000 of the missing posts.
total posts 423
Remaining 207
Your estimate was high by almost an order of magnitude.
Is it a case of Violate Rinse Repeat?
Well, for a guy that gets every other post deleted, did they give him 150 warnings,
then another 50 more 2nd chances,
and then 16 more Thin Ice?
All this spanning a presence of just a couple months of posting (July-Nov)?
01-29-2011, 06:42 AM
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This is not aimed at you Toolman just a few general thoughts I had after reading through this thread.
Maybe the voice of the people should just be squelched. After all, any of us with any sense at all can see there is bias after bias in the forums.
Squelching the voice of the people would certainly be the best way to grow an org. Heck, after all isn't that becoming the American way and it what has made good old USA what it is today? Yep, the government controlling the voices of the people in the land of the free and home of the brave..."blech"...makes me want to hurl.
I do agree some administration must exist and troublemakers must be controlled with order and discipline, but it seems to me what I read in controversial (AMA subjects a good example) forums is controlled by bias for the most part and if one ruffles some feathers then "walla" the hammer goes down.
Maybe the voice of the people should just be squelched. After all, any of us with any sense at all can see there is bias after bias in the forums.
Squelching the voice of the people would certainly be the best way to grow an org. Heck, after all isn't that becoming the American way and it what has made good old USA what it is today? Yep, the government controlling the voices of the people in the land of the free and home of the brave..."blech"...makes me want to hurl.
I do agree some administration must exist and troublemakers must be controlled with order and discipline, but it seems to me what I read in controversial (AMA subjects a good example) forums is controlled by bias for the most part and if one ruffles some feathers then "walla" the hammer goes down.
01-29-2011, 06:48 AM
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
"the ferret" was also banned on RCG. I wonder how many deletes have been stacked up on RCU and RCG? Did the Kid count those?
Regards
Frank
Regards
Frank
or are we discussing what could be a shortcoming of AMAs board that AMA needs to fix.
What does RCG have to do with how AMA runs its board mods, are AMA mods Arbo & Muroc mods there too?
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RE: More AMA Forum Displeasure:
KE, Muroc got just what he has been wanting, an now everybody can see what the real deal is. He's the kind of guy I would not trust behind me with a knife.