AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
02-13-2013 | 10:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: fly24-7
I think the trick here is in the definitions.
I think the trick here is in the definitions.
02-13-2013 | 12:17 PM
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RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
<span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I think the trick here is in the definitions. The AMA should focus the effort on what defines a "drone" (UAV, UAS, whatever).</span>
</div><div>Already done, if you look. Drones, no matter how big or small, are unmanned aircraft operated commercially. </div>
02-13-2013 | 12:50 PM
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I understand that, but I think the definition is too broad and needs more work. I have some history in combating government legislation. I found that the path to success is not in fighting the legislation, it's in getting the scope narrowed such that you're excluded. Then you get a win-win. You're out of the cross-hairs and the legislators get their victory for "advancing the ball."
In my mind, the key is getting our models as far away from the word "drone" as possible. The AMA doesn't seem to be doing a good job of that. The word is plastered all over their website. You've got an AMA member talking about the "rise of the personal UAV." Talk about muddling the issue. If I was consulting the AMA, I'd say do everything possible to distance model aircraft from any terminology like UAV, UAS, Drone, etc... We fly models. They're different in their purpose and application from these other machines. Models have operated within a prescribed set of rules for may decades with a favorable safety record and on balance, with a positive community impact.
In my mind, the key is getting our models as far away from the word "drone" as possible. The AMA doesn't seem to be doing a good job of that. The word is plastered all over their website. You've got an AMA member talking about the "rise of the personal UAV." Talk about muddling the issue. If I was consulting the AMA, I'd say do everything possible to distance model aircraft from any terminology like UAV, UAS, Drone, etc... We fly models. They're different in their purpose and application from these other machines. Models have operated within a prescribed set of rules for may decades with a favorable safety record and on balance, with a positive community impact.
02-13-2013 | 02:30 PM
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RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
ORIGINAL: fly24-7
I understand that, but I think the definition is too broad and needs more work. I have some history in combating government legislation. I found that the path to success is not in fighting the legislation, it's in getting the scope narrowed such that you're excluded. Then you get a win-win. You're out of the cross-hairs and the legislators get their victory for ''advancing the ball.''
In my mind, the key is getting our models as far away from the word ''drone'' as possible. The AMA doesn't seem to be doing a good job of that. The word is plastered all over their website. You've got an AMA member talking about the ''rise of the personal UAV.'' Talk about muddling the issue. If I was consulting the AMA, I'd say do everything possible to distance model aircraft from any terminology like UAV, UAS, Drone, etc... We fly models. They're different in their purpose and application from these other machines. Models have operated within a prescribed set of rules for may decades with a favorable safety record and on balance, with a positive community impact.
I understand that, but I think the definition is too broad and needs more work. I have some history in combating government legislation. I found that the path to success is not in fighting the legislation, it's in getting the scope narrowed such that you're excluded. Then you get a win-win. You're out of the cross-hairs and the legislators get their victory for ''advancing the ball.''
In my mind, the key is getting our models as far away from the word ''drone'' as possible. The AMA doesn't seem to be doing a good job of that. The word is plastered all over their website. You've got an AMA member talking about the ''rise of the personal UAV.'' Talk about muddling the issue. If I was consulting the AMA, I'd say do everything possible to distance model aircraft from any terminology like UAV, UAS, Drone, etc... We fly models. They're different in their purpose and application from these other machines. Models have operated within a prescribed set of rules for may decades with a favorable safety record and on balance, with a positive community impact.
02-13-2013 | 04:18 PM
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RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
ORIGINAL: fly24-7
I understand that, but I think the definition is too broad and needs more work. I have some history in combating government legislation. I found that the path to success is not in fighting the legislation, it's in getting the scope narrowed such that you're excluded. Then you get a win-win. You're out of the cross-hairs and the legislators get their victory for ''advancing the ball.''
In my mind, the key is getting our models as far away from the word ''drone'' as possible. The AMA doesn't seem to be doing a good job of that. The word is plastered all over their website. You've got an AMA member talking about the ''rise of the personal UAV.'' Talk about muddling the issue. If I was consulting the AMA, I'd say do everything possible to distance model aircraft from any terminology like UAV, UAS, Drone, etc... We fly models. They're different in their purpose and application from these other machines. Models have operated within a prescribed set of rules for may decades with a favorable safety record and on balance, with a positive community impact.
I understand that, but I think the definition is too broad and needs more work. I have some history in combating government legislation. I found that the path to success is not in fighting the legislation, it's in getting the scope narrowed such that you're excluded. Then you get a win-win. You're out of the cross-hairs and the legislators get their victory for ''advancing the ball.''
In my mind, the key is getting our models as far away from the word ''drone'' as possible. The AMA doesn't seem to be doing a good job of that. The word is plastered all over their website. You've got an AMA member talking about the ''rise of the personal UAV.'' Talk about muddling the issue. If I was consulting the AMA, I'd say do everything possible to distance model aircraft from any terminology like UAV, UAS, Drone, etc... We fly models. They're different in their purpose and application from these other machines. Models have operated within a prescribed set of rules for may decades with a favorable safety record and on balance, with a positive community impact.
02-13-2013 | 04:43 PM
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Amen. I've been saying this for years.
ORIGINAL: fly24-7
I understand that, but I think the definition is too broad and needs more work. I have some history in combating government legislation. I found that the path to success is not in fighting the legislation, it's in getting the scope narrowed such that you're excluded. Then you get a win-win. You're out of the cross-hairs and the legislators get their victory for ''advancing the ball.''
In my mind, the key is getting our models as far away from the word ''drone'' as possible. The AMA doesn't seem to be doing a good job of that. The word is plastered all over their website. You've got an AMA member talking about the ''rise of the personal UAV.'' Talk about muddling the issue. If I was consulting the AMA, I'd say do everything possible to distance model aircraft from any terminology like UAV, UAS, Drone, etc... We fly models. They're different in their purpose and application from these other machines. Models have operated within a prescribed set of rules for may decades with a favorable safety record and on balance, with a positive community impact.
I understand that, but I think the definition is too broad and needs more work. I have some history in combating government legislation. I found that the path to success is not in fighting the legislation, it's in getting the scope narrowed such that you're excluded. Then you get a win-win. You're out of the cross-hairs and the legislators get their victory for ''advancing the ball.''
In my mind, the key is getting our models as far away from the word ''drone'' as possible. The AMA doesn't seem to be doing a good job of that. The word is plastered all over their website. You've got an AMA member talking about the ''rise of the personal UAV.'' Talk about muddling the issue. If I was consulting the AMA, I'd say do everything possible to distance model aircraft from any terminology like UAV, UAS, Drone, etc... We fly models. They're different in their purpose and application from these other machines. Models have operated within a prescribed set of rules for may decades with a favorable safety record and on balance, with a positive community impact.
02-13-2013 | 05:01 PM
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RE: AMA emails on Drones/Right to Fly
ORIGINAL: HoundDog
That is it exactily and that is what the AMA as a Comunity Based Organization is doing by useing our 75 years of safe flying and having a set of ruels that we regulate where and how we fly our models ... even if it's done as FVP with in the confiends of an AMA particpating club and accomplished at their flying field.
That is it exactily and that is what the AMA as a Comunity Based Organization is doing by useing our 75 years of safe flying and having a set of ruels that we regulate where and how we fly our models ... even if it's done as FVP with in the confiends of an AMA particpating club and accomplished at their flying field.
From my perspective it should be always be put forward that model aviation and model aviators are inherently safe. When we attribute it's overall good record only to any one entity, no matter how great that organization is, it ultimately undermines the whole hobby... I don't think that was the original intent of AMA to ever do such a thing but over time some within have tried to take it to that level...and that is unfortunate and I also believe that strategy and perception thereof has retarded model aviations growth[/quote]
02-14-2013 | 05:04 AM
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Set if RULES???? It is a set of ideals, the only real punishment is banishment from a club. What if driving rules were the same... one California stop sign and you could not drive ever again?
There is a lot of room for a set of rules that are enforceable and just. To start with, you need it written down and a signed agreement to follow the rules. I know you don't see any threat in your area, but the flying field I use is close to some important installations.
There is a lot of room for a set of rules that are enforceable and just. To start with, you need it written down and a signed agreement to follow the rules. I know you don't see any threat in your area, but the flying field I use is close to some important installations.
ORIGINAL: HoundDog
<span style=''font-family: Comic Sans MS;''><span style=''font-size: medium;''><span style=''color: rgb(128, 0, 0);''>That is it exactily and that is what the AMA as a Comunity Based Organization is doing by useing our 75 years of safe flying and having a set of ruels that we regulate where and how we fly our models ... even if it's done as FVP with in the confiends of an AMA particpating club and accomplished at their flying field. </span></span></span>
<span style=''font-family: Comic Sans MS;''><span style=''font-size: medium;''><span style=''color: rgb(128, 0, 0);''>That is it exactily and that is what the AMA as a Comunity Based Organization is doing by useing our 75 years of safe flying and having a set of ruels that we regulate where and how we fly our models ... even if it's done as FVP with in the confiends of an AMA particpating club and accomplished at their flying field. </span></span></span>
02-14-2013 | 05:46 AM
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ORIGINAL: <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: larger;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">on_your_six</span></span></span>
Set if RULES???? It is a set of ideals, the only real punishment is banishment from a club. What if driving rules were the same... one California stop sign and you could not drive ever again?
There is a lot of room for a set of rules that are enforceable and just. To start with, you need it written down and a signed agreement to follow the rules. I know you don't see any threat in your area, but the flying field I use is close to some important installations.
Set if RULES???? It is a set of ideals, the only real punishment is banishment from a club. What if driving rules were the same... one California stop sign and you could not drive ever again?
There is a lot of room for a set of rules that are enforceable and just. To start with, you need it written down and a signed agreement to follow the rules. I know you don't see any threat in your area, but the flying field I use is close to some important installations.
ORIGINAL: HoundDog
<span sans="" comic="" font-family:="" style=""><span font-size:="" style=""><span color:="" style="">That is it exactily and that is what the AMA as a Comunity Based Organization is doing by useing our 75 years of safe flying and having a set of ruels that we regulate where and how we fly our models ... even if it's done as FVP with in the confiends of an AMA particpating club and accomplished at their flying field.</span></span></span>
<span sans="" comic="" font-family:="" style=""><span font-size:="" style=""><span color:="" style="">That is it exactily and that is what the AMA as a Comunity Based Organization is doing by useing our 75 years of safe flying and having a set of ruels that we regulate where and how we fly our models ... even if it's done as FVP with in the confiends of an AMA particpating club and accomplished at their flying field.</span></span></span>
PLZ explaine your statement "</span></span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: larger;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;"> I know you don't see any threat in your area, but the flying field I use is close to some important installations."
</span></span></span><span style="font-size: larger;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">As for the club I fly at in Wisconsin every year when we pay our club dues we are required to sign a statement that we will follow and adhear to all AMA and Club rules.</span></span><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);"><span style="font-size: larger;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS;">
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02-14-2013 | 06:04 AM
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I dont know how we got off on flying at our club fields but alright .If you fly your drone or what ever you want to call it at your club field ,in no time at all you will fly out of even the clubs airspace to fly over someone elses lands or buildings. Does the club set rules to fly only over its field or are they allowed to fly 3 miles away ? Who tells them where or where not they can fly ?
02-14-2013 | 06:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: joebahl
I dont know how we got off on flying at our club fields but alright .If you fly your drone or what ever you want to call it at your club field ,in no time at all you will fly out of even the clubs airspace to fly over someone elses lands or buildings. Does the club set rules to fly only over its field or are they allowed to fly 3 miles away ? Who tells them where or where not they can fly ?
I dont know how we got off on flying at our club fields but alright .If you fly your drone or what ever you want to call it at your club field ,in no time at all you will fly out of even the clubs airspace to fly over someone elses lands or buildings. Does the club set rules to fly only over its field or are they allowed to fly 3 miles away ? Who tells them where or where not they can fly ?
02-14-2013 | 07:11 AM
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I dont know how we got off on flying at our club fields but alright .If you fly your drone or what ever you want to call it at your club field ,in no time at all you will fly out of even the clubs airspace to fly over someone elses lands or buildings. Does the club set rules to fly only over its field or are they allowed to fly 3 miles away ? Who tells them where or where not they can fly ?
I dont know how we got off on flying at our club fields but alright .If you fly your drone or what ever you want to call it at your club field ,in no time at all you will fly out of even the clubs airspace to fly over someone elses lands or buildings. Does the club set rules to fly only over its field or are they allowed to fly 3 miles away ? Who tells them where or where not they can fly ?
02-14-2013 | 07:15 AM
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<h3><font size="4">an <font size="4"><font size="4">article</font> taken from AV WEB an FREEonline <font size="4">Aviation News product</font></font></font> about how full scale pilots feel about Drones invading the SEE and BE SEEN airspace of VFR flight.</h3>
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</p><h2><a name="208173"><font face="arial,helvetica,geneva">AVweb Insider Blog: Drones More Questions than Answers</font></a></h2> <p class="copy">
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Unmanned aircraft are much in the news this month and for good reason. Senate hearings revealed that the CIA drone program is all but a push-button execution system overseen by a select group. Like everyone else, AVweb Insider blogger Paul Bertorelli wonders if there should there be more oversight. Even in the civilian world, drones are multiplying, increasing the likelihood of abuse.</p><p class="copy"></p>
Read more and join the conversation.</p>
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</p><h2><a name="208173"><font face="arial,helvetica,geneva">AVweb Insider Blog: Drones More Questions than Answers</font></a></h2> <p class="copy">
</p><p class="copy"></p>Unmanned aircraft are much in the news this month and for good reason. Senate hearings revealed that the CIA drone program is all but a push-button execution system overseen by a select group. Like everyone else, AVweb Insider blogger Paul Bertorelli wonders if there should there be more oversight. Even in the civilian world, drones are multiplying, increasing the likelihood of abuse.</p><p class="copy"></p>
Read more and join the conversation.</p>
02-14-2013 | 07:20 AM
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ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
02-14-2013 | 07:41 AM
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ORIGINAL: joebahl
It is sad but its true and there will be some who not only give our hobby a bad name but the club's flying field too. In the past years we have lost flying fields for many reasons and i dont want to loose any because bad drones pilots are using them for their home base. joe
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
Now let's start working on those heli pilots and giant scale idiots... We can do it if we just stick together... maybe one day we can get all RC models eradicated as well...
02-14-2013 | 07:42 AM
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ORIGINAL: joebahl
It is sad but its true and there will be some who not only give our hobby a bad name but the club's flying field too. In the past years we have lost flying fields for many reasons and i dont want to loose any because bad drones pilots are using them for their home base. joe
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
Seriously, if your club cannot enforce a simple rule that prohibits flying beyond the boundaries of the designated flyover area, why have rules at all?
02-14-2013 | 07:51 AM
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How would you enforce it? Who enforces the rule? What is the penalty for breaking the rule? How was the penalty originated? What if it is your close friend?
ORIGINAL: cj_rumley
Sadly, some miscreants use guns, Ryder trucks and airliners to commit mass murders. Guns, Ryder trucks and airliners should be banned.
Seriously, if your club cannot enforce a simple rule that prohibits flying beyond the boundaries of the designated flyover area, why have rules at all?
Sadly, some miscreants use guns, Ryder trucks and airliners to commit mass murders. Guns, Ryder trucks and airliners should be banned.
Seriously, if your club cannot enforce a simple rule that prohibits flying beyond the boundaries of the designated flyover area, why have rules at all?
02-14-2013 | 07:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: cj_rumley
Sadly, some miscreants use guns, Ryder trucks and airliners to commit mass murders. Guns, Ryder trucks and airliners should be banned.
Seriously, if your club cannot enforce a simple rule that prohibits flying beyond the boundaries of the designated flyover area, why have rules at all?
ORIGINAL: joebahl
It is sad but its true and there will be some who not only give our hobby a bad name but the club's flying field too. In the past years we have lost flying fields for many reasons and i dont want to loose any because bad drones pilots are using them for their home base. joe
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
Seriously, if your club cannot enforce a simple rule that prohibits flying beyond the boundaries of the designated flyover area, why have rules at all?
02-14-2013 | 08:39 AM
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hi im from the cleavland ohio area. and one day im sitting in my liveng room on a cold winter day watching the news and i see the police department show a quadcopter they will be useing to find missing people and it is set up with night vision.
i dont have no missing peoples at my house and the invasion of my rights also so what happens when i shoot this thing out of the air over my place?
i dont have no missing peoples at my house and the invasion of my rights also so what happens when i shoot this thing out of the air over my place?
02-14-2013 | 08:46 AM
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How would you enforce it? Who enforces the rule? What is the penalty for breaking the rule? How was the penalty originated? What if it is your close friend?
How would you enforce it? Who enforces the rule? What is the penalty for breaking the rule? How was the penalty originated? What if it is your close friend?
02-14-2013 | 08:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
You guys have finally convinced me...The FPV guys are inherently more likely to push the limit and are probably going to cause us to lose our flying sites... Down with FPV...them guys are devils!
Now let's start working on those heli pilots and giant scale idiots... We can do it if we just stick together... maybe one day we can get all RC models eradicated as well...
ORIGINAL: joebahl
It is sad but its true and there will be some who not only give our hobby a bad name but the club's flying field too. In the past years we have lost flying fields for many reasons and i dont want to loose any because bad drones pilots are using them for their home base. joe
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
Sadly, not always. Hence the problem, the ones that always have to push the limit.
Now let's start working on those heli pilots and giant scale idiots... We can do it if we just stick together... maybe one day we can get all RC models eradicated as well...
02-14-2013 | 08:52 AM
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hi im from the cleavland ohio area. and one day im sitting in my liveng room on a cold winter day watching the news and i see the police department show a quadcopter they will be useing to find missing people and it is set up with night vision.
i dont have no missing peoples at my house and the invasion of my rights also so what happens when i shoot this thing out of the air over my place?
hi im from the cleavland ohio area. and one day im sitting in my liveng room on a cold winter day watching the news and i see the police department show a quadcopter they will be useing to find missing people and it is set up with night vision.
i dont have no missing peoples at my house and the invasion of my rights also so what happens when i shoot this thing out of the air over my place?
