Embracing new technologies
01-26-2014, 02:38 PM
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Too funny.
The loudest, most feverishly rabid backer of the miserably failed PPPPP [Park Pilot Program Pork barrel Project] is giving out advice on how not to embarrass oneself.
Too funny.
You're using a lot of the same arguments here, IIRC. The Grande Finale as usual being the "Band Wagon" one.
The loudest, most feverishly rabid backer of the miserably failed PPPPP [Park Pilot Program Pork barrel Project] is giving out advice on how not to embarrass oneself.
Too funny.
You're using a lot of the same arguments here, IIRC. The Grande Finale as usual being the "Band Wagon" one.
01-26-2014, 05:04 PM
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Too funny.
The loudest, most feverishly rabid backer of the miserably failed PPPPP [Park Pilot Program Pork barrel Project] is giving out advice on how not to embarrass oneself.
Too funny.
You're using a lot of the same arguments here, IIRC. The Grande Finale as usual being the "Band Wagon" one.
The loudest, most feverishly rabid backer of the miserably failed PPPPP [Park Pilot Program Pork barrel Project] is giving out advice on how not to embarrass oneself.
Too funny.
You're using a lot of the same arguments here, IIRC. The Grande Finale as usual being the "Band Wagon" one.
01-26-2014, 05:18 PM
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Bull-o-knee.
You just know that your RCU posting archives don't go back far enough for me to unearth all the posts you made about how it was the AMA's sworn duty to do everything they could possibly do to promote this form of model aviation and how they were losing out on such an enormous "market".
You just know that your RCU posting archives don't go back far enough for me to unearth all the posts you made about how it was the AMA's sworn duty to do everything they could possibly do to promote this form of model aviation and how they were losing out on such an enormous "market".
01-26-2014, 06:02 PM
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Bull-o-knee.
You just know that your RCU posting archives don't go back far enough for me to unearth all the posts you made about how it was the AMA's sworn duty to do everything they could possibly do to promote this form of model aviation and how they were losing out on such an enormous "market".
You just know that your RCU posting archives don't go back far enough for me to unearth all the posts you made about how it was the AMA's sworn duty to do everything they could possibly do to promote this form of model aviation and how they were losing out on such an enormous "market".
01-26-2014, 06:34 PM
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When you denied it, I believed you enough to doubt my memory and I found that I was wrong.
I never took a direct quote of your's and intentionally morphed a key word to flip the entire meaning of what you were trying to say 180.
That's where desperation comes into play.
01-26-2014, 07:54 PM
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And you know what...?
When you denied it, I believed you enough to doubt my memory and I found that I was wrong.
I never took a direct quote of your's and intentionally morphed a key word to flip the entire meaning of what you were trying to say 180.
That's where desperation comes into play.
When you denied it, I believed you enough to doubt my memory and I found that I was wrong.
I never took a direct quote of your's and intentionally morphed a key word to flip the entire meaning of what you were trying to say 180.
That's where desperation comes into play.
180...Hmmm...remind me, who did that?
01-27-2014, 11:10 AM
#334
TWENTY THREE Consecutive posts between you two 'Men' ....
ONE of those posts had SOME on topic information, and a lot of slinging.
can we please bring this discussion back on topic please?
(and thank you init4fun for staying on topic and out of the mud.)
thank you.
ONE of those posts had SOME on topic information, and a lot of slinging.
can we please bring this discussion back on topic please?
(and thank you init4fun for staying on topic and out of the mud.)
thank you.
01-27-2014, 11:23 AM
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You have the floor now to do more than pontificate.
01-27-2014, 12:12 PM
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my intent was to politely point out that the discussion was going in the same direction as an old airplane I once had with a snap roll switch directly next to the landing gear switch.
(it's one of my 'duties' as a moderator: try to keep discussions from circling the proverbial 'bowl')
although it was the 49 PM's and moderator tickets I received from members complaining about this thread that caused me to chime in.
Since you asked, I think the AMA has a difficult job in front of them. FPV may well be the future of this sport, it may be outlawed for 'hobby use' or could go in any one of a number of directions.
Since the AMA's mission is 'dedicated to the promotion of model aviation as a recognized sport as well as a recreational activity'
and since Model Aviation is itself an evolving technology (and has been for nearly a century) it's logical that AMA should support all forms of Model aviation.
important note: that means the AMA must compile some set of rules or guidelines so they can continue to support the sport SAFELY.
it's obvious that if something like FPV caused unknowing lawmakers to write legislation banning from the public any flying vehicle that can also carry a camera, well that would be bad for the AMA, bad for you and bad for me.
it's the AMA's job to simultaneously embrace FPV (when done according to the AMA's safety code)
AND to distance itself from FPV when done recklessly or in a manner that does not comply with their safety guidelines.
(really, they have the same job as they always have: embrace the folks who are responsibly enjoying this sport and distance themselves from those who operate aircraft in a reckless manner.)
(it's one of my 'duties' as a moderator: try to keep discussions from circling the proverbial 'bowl')
although it was the 49 PM's and moderator tickets I received from members complaining about this thread that caused me to chime in.
Since you asked, I think the AMA has a difficult job in front of them. FPV may well be the future of this sport, it may be outlawed for 'hobby use' or could go in any one of a number of directions.
Since the AMA's mission is 'dedicated to the promotion of model aviation as a recognized sport as well as a recreational activity'
and since Model Aviation is itself an evolving technology (and has been for nearly a century) it's logical that AMA should support all forms of Model aviation.
important note: that means the AMA must compile some set of rules or guidelines so they can continue to support the sport SAFELY.
it's obvious that if something like FPV caused unknowing lawmakers to write legislation banning from the public any flying vehicle that can also carry a camera, well that would be bad for the AMA, bad for you and bad for me.
it's the AMA's job to simultaneously embrace FPV (when done according to the AMA's safety code)
AND to distance itself from FPV when done recklessly or in a manner that does not comply with their safety guidelines.
(really, they have the same job as they always have: embrace the folks who are responsibly enjoying this sport and distance themselves from those who operate aircraft in a reckless manner.)
01-27-2014, 12:36 PM
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Mr. Buzzeo, while I don't like your stated reasons for your thesis, I do know that they are 101% correct.
Therefore I do say to you that your post is very well written, and IMO is a very sound basis. Good Show, Old Chap!!!
Therefore I do say to you that your post is very well written, and IMO is a very sound basis. Good Show, Old Chap!!!
01-29-2014, 03:35 AM
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Watch "Tramin / Termeno - Felssturz / Frana / Rock fall - Luftaufnahmen Aerial riprese aeree 21.01.2014" on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZtx...e_gdata_player
Not to stay on topic , but here is an example of drone use . Was this all line of sight ? Did the drone cause the carnage seen here? I myself think this is a great use of the "new technology".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZtx...e_gdata_player
Not to stay on topic , but here is an example of drone use . Was this all line of sight ? Did the drone cause the carnage seen here? I myself think this is a great use of the "new technology".
01-29-2014, 04:39 AM
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Watch "Tramin / Termeno - Felssturz / Frana / Rock fall - Luftaufnahmen Aerial riprese aeree 21.01.2014" on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZtx...e_gdata_player
Not to stay on topic , but here is an example of drone use . Was this all line of sight ? Did the drone cause the carnage seen here? I myself think this is a great use of the "new technology".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZtx...e_gdata_player
Not to stay on topic , but here is an example of drone use . Was this all line of sight ? Did the drone cause the carnage seen here? I myself think this is a great use of the "new technology".
01-29-2014, 12:34 PM
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Here's one that Anti FPVers will enjoy... If we just shoot them down our world will be great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3DmZAx0bdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3DmZAx0bdQ
01-29-2014, 08:28 PM
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I live in a rural setting and am not sure how I'd react to seeing one of those things at 200 feet or less in an obvious hover over my place.
I don't think the framers of our constitution would have needed more than 2 seconds to know how they would have reacted, though.
I don't think the framers of our constitution would have needed more than 2 seconds to know how they would have reacted, though.
01-30-2014, 08:09 AM
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I live in a rural setting and am not sure how I'd react to seeing one of those things at 200 feet or less in an obvious hover over my place.
I don't think the framers of our constitution would have needed more than 2 seconds to know how they would have reacted, though.
I don't think the framers of our constitution would have needed more than 2 seconds to know how they would have reacted, though.
It seems to me we have left the principles of our past, it's no longer about rights and liberty...its about privilege of convenience. Government, by the indirect control of money, can now turn the spigot on or off at will. Our behavior is now conditioned by the rewards or punishments of the conveniences allowed us...
So as combatpig alludes to, we will have to make our choice whenever confronted with whatever... There may be repercussions... but that's a decision we will have to make if we find something buzzing in our backyard. It its probably best not to say what I'd do...
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01-30-2014, 09:08 AM
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Rural or urban...50ft or 500 or 40,000... Privacy or safety...government or private...where do our concerns really begin and end? It seems most have already accepted the fact that aircraft can overfly our property without our permission
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01-30-2014, 09:18 AM
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Rural or urban...50ft or 500 or 40,000... Privacy or safety...government or private...where do our concerns really begin and end? It seems most have already accepted the fact that aircraft can overfly our property without our permission
Only for FAA controled aircraft, and only when above their minimum altitudes. It is legal to shoot down an RC aircraft over your property in many states, I don't know why FPV aircraft would be any different.
Only for FAA controled aircraft, and only when above their minimum altitudes. It is legal to shoot down an RC aircraft over your property in many states, I don't know why FPV aircraft would be any different.
It all started back when the Wright's built the first airplane. If someone had said then" That's really an awesome flying bicycle you have there...but won't it get boring just flying over your field? Instead we took the other tangent...The greatest advent of all times...we will have conveniences we never dreamed...we will be able to travel and see grandma on thanksgiving...we will be able to kill people faster and better during wars...
01-30-2014, 09:26 AM
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I'll concede your assertion. But what if that FPV is a government system or privileged by license? Its coming!
It all started back when the Wright's built the first airplane. If someone had said then" That's really an awesome flying bicycle you have there...but won't it get boring just flying over your field? Instead we took the other tangent...The greatest advent of all times...we will have conveniences we never dreamed...we will be able to travel and see grandma on thanksgiving...we will be able to kill people faster and better during wars...
It all started back when the Wright's built the first airplane. If someone had said then" That's really an awesome flying bicycle you have there...but won't it get boring just flying over your field? Instead we took the other tangent...The greatest advent of all times...we will have conveniences we never dreamed...we will be able to travel and see grandma on thanksgiving...we will be able to kill people faster and better during wars...
to differentiate between the (civilian) people who would use FPV for purposes of essentially anything EXCEPT 'hobby use' (spying, dropping bad things on people or private property)
and we hobbyists, who follow a safety code and are not allowed (only by the rules we agree to follow) to do such things with our FPV vehicles.
but if you're asserting that the government is at fault, if you're alluding that 'this is what's wrong with this country' etc, that's a discussion for another forum, not this one.
:-D
01-30-2014, 09:54 AM
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EXACTLY!!! and THERE is the role of the AMA!
to differentiate between the (civilian) people who would use FPV for purposes of essentially anything EXCEPT 'hobby use' (spying, dropping bad things on people or private property)
and we hobbyists, who follow a safety code and are not allowed (only by the rules we agree to follow) to do such things with our FPV vehicles.
but if you're asserting that the government is at fault, if you're alluding that 'this is what's wrong with this country' etc, that's a discussion for another forum, not this one.
:-D
to differentiate between the (civilian) people who would use FPV for purposes of essentially anything EXCEPT 'hobby use' (spying, dropping bad things on people or private property)
and we hobbyists, who follow a safety code and are not allowed (only by the rules we agree to follow) to do such things with our FPV vehicles.
but if you're asserting that the government is at fault, if you're alluding that 'this is what's wrong with this country' etc, that's a discussion for another forum, not this one.
:-D
We as AMA members need to take a hard look at the consequences of such a thing happening...so in that context, it is of some concern... Its easy to make some distinction between government action and our views of how this all relates to us but in the end it really is (or should be) one in the same IMHO.