JohnShe

Wow! There you go again with your preposterous and baseless suppositions. I wonder if you are truly obtuse or if you are faking it.

Here is a list of the kind of safety violations that would prompt me to dial 911.




Tell me which ones that you are OK with?

Propworn

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Obviously you’re not thinking. It’s all relevant. The AMA is having input, those supporting the commercial end have had input, different levels of government the list goes on. Where are you in all this? Are you just talk no action? How come you never answered any of the questions? Sound like your trying to avoid them. In case they were to hard I’ll simplify them for you.

Are you an AMA member?

Are you a RC club member?

What action have you taken to further your cause?

Three questions take your time they are not that hard.

Dennis

rgburrill

I have a suggestion. There have been 36 pages of posts on this subject since it started a month ago and it has reduced to a battle with someone who will never, ever accept that we live in a society with rules. My suggestion is that everyone stop responding to him.

littlecrankshaf

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Not sure how your questions, about whether or not I am an AMA member or a club member for that matter, is at all relevant and not sure what you perceive my "cause" is. FWIW You live in another country...yet you want to question my involvement here... Seems maybe little hypocritical to me ... May I ask what's your agenda?

Now, as for as rules and laws go...go ahead and label me however you wish but I prefer much stronger laws and rules instead never ending 'feel good" rules... I am not a fan of the "false sense of security" that never ending rules provide...and to good effect to pacify most nowadays.

JohnShe

Fascinating, I am not sure that I understand your interpretation of a "never ending 'feel good" rule". It seems odd perhaps that you give the impression that you think the FAA won't write a set of "much stronger laws and rules". I also realize, that the AMA rules are a voluntary choice of club members at present. However, they will be the official recreational safety rules before long. So, are you of the opinion that the AMA safety guidelines are "never ending 'feel good" rules"?

Please tell us, we are waiting to know. Also you might tell us what kinds of rules you might like to see.

bradpaul

If you want to understand what rules LCS and his club feel are appropriate just visit the website and click on "Rules Page", I think you will be enlightened...........................

http://tuffclub.net/home.htm

littlecrankshaf

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just a little bit for you guys to gauge my philosophy... Let's take the incident in Australia...They had plenty feel good rules...yet the incident still occurred. Now, of course there is the financial costs that such an idiot will have to bare... but beyond that and much more importantly for deterrent reasons there needs to be some genuine personal responsibility punishment administered...and money can't buy that... Since I am not into sending people to jail...just to cost us more and teach them to be better criminals...about fifty lashes on the steps of the court house seems about right.

Just one more to gauge my views...Perpetrators that burgle habitations should be sentenced to death...period. Tired of criminals going through prison gates like revolving doors at our expense only to get out and be better criminals. And the amount of money you have should not be a factor when you hurt another innocent person...At some point we need to get back to putting others higher than just a rendering of an insurance company...Now, fill in the gaps...as there would be much fewer gaps along the lines of my reasoning than all the BS we've become accustom to today.

JW0311

Going to have to go with LCS on this. Make all the rules you want. Make a rule for every injustice you can possible think of. Some one will break them. Murder has been illegal for some time now and we still have people being killed every day. Rules will never ensure your safety. EVER! I have no problem with educating those that will listen on the dangers of operating RC aircraft; however,There will always people that will endanger themselves and others. Rules or not.

James

Jim Branaum

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On your first paragraph, we are in exact agreement. Oh, the second one too.

JohnShe

Ahhh! Anarchy, Yeh, that always works. That's one club that I would stay away from, it were real.

JohnShe

It sounds to me like you believe that a "feel good" rule is a rule that you don't agree with. You probably are unaware that, as good as it makes you feel, (How's that for irony?) execution is ineffective because more criminals will pop up and commit the same crime or different variations of the same crime. Although, in a rather pointless way it rids us of the people we have caught at least.

Actually, I thought that the FAA's proposed $10,000 fine was pretty serious.

cj_rumley

Thank you! As a member of that club (and anarchist, though some among us prefer the label 'libertarian' these days), I do appreciate your resolve as stated.

Do keep your fealty to your archys, and you'll never suffer the onus of having to think for yourself.

cj

JohnShe

You say that it is real, amazing. You are lucky to be alive. I Wish you well, just stay the heck away from my club.

How many near misses have you experienced personally?

A successful social groups need s rule of behavior so that all members will know what to expect. It takes a lot of thought to develop a set of rules, as well as, frequent reevaluation of those rules. We can think for ourselves within a good set of rules. Therefore your presumption that we don't think for ourselves is just another logical fallacy.

cj_rumley

Sure, no problem.

Now that's getting awfully personal, but okay, several dozen............but I suspect some were actually missus.

.That sounds really boring, but rule makers need to have followers I guess, and happily there seems to be an ample supply of people with herd instinct.

Sport_Pilot

The term for the outer ring is "event horizon". IMO an appropriate name.

Sport_Pilot

I suggest you go back and reread the posts and point to any that say we should have no rule. This is not the case. The issue is who should make the rules. Not if we should have any.

Sport_Pilot

In the case that this thread is about the local cops did nothing. No charges were brought because the FAA was doing something about it. In other cases the cops will not bother because they don't want the redtape. Issue a warning or something like that. But if they know it is their jurisdiction they will bring charges.

Sport_Pilot

The courts decided that except for the interstate highways that the licensing of vehicles and maintenance of roads were intrastate commerce and it would be illegal for the federal government to regulate it. But since all airways are consdered interstate the Federal government does the licensing of all aircraft.

IMO the States would do a better job than the Feds. The feds can't even keep track of all of the abandoned and salvaged planes.

jtotten

Yesterday's Chicago Tribune oped visited the drone issue with a note mentioning a "cease and desist " order the FAA sent to a Texas company that used a small uas to located a missing toddler. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...7089819.column

littlecrankshaf

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Certainly don't need rule lists like the one JohnShe recently posted here...I can only imagine the Gomers, Hubers and Goobers arguing whether the model was 49 or 51 ft...99 or 101 feet from whatever building,structure, person or whatever...How idiotic would that be??? I started to ask him what idiot came up with such a goofy list like that...but I was afraid he might tell me.

Sport_Pilot

So you would turn someone in for flying their FPV under a crane? Where is it writting that thy shalt not fly under the crane? Seem to me the crane 4 pound model would hit anywhere on that crane with absolutely no damage.

littlecrankshaf

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Yea...and he said he would dial 911!!! Wow... I know he has been uninviting people from here to his club and that's usually a very unfriendly thing to do but somehow I really think that he's really doing them a favor... a good thing...

Sport_Pilot

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
― Ayn Rand

Sport_Pilot

There is a huge difference in a libertarian and an anarchist. A libertarian believes that most if not all of the moral laws should be abolished. That would leave laws such as theft, murder, treason, etc in place. Anarchists believe all laws should be abolished. That would leave us with tribes and bands roaming criminals or warloards.

littlecrankshaf

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The self righteous hypocrites have a few things in common, one of which is, that only what other people do is wrong...the litmus test is to point out something they do that is equally risky or wrong and get immediate panty bunching from them....the self righteous hypocrite can make endless rationales defending their poor choices or unfair treatment of others all the while make endless cases against others for doing essentially the very same thing...