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Old 03-11-2015, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by phlpsfrnk
So if I use your logic and I speed on a deserted highway and I'm not endangering anyone else I'm not breaking the law. I'll be sure and let the state trooper know that.
What state trooper? If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody to hear it, has it really violated a law?
Old 03-11-2015, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnShe
Oops! forgot about that. It doesn't affect me so I don't keep it in mind. Often wondered what the government would do if anyone violated it. Now we know, not much.
Depends on who you are...if your one of them, not much...someone else, maybe the FAA will pull a fine amount right out their...err...the air of $10,000...and if you don't pay, expect continuous harassment in court until you pay something...even if it costs 100 of thousands of our money to collect the pittance.

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Old 03-11-2015, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by phlpsfrnk
So what you are saying is, as long as risk is minimal and one does not endanger people or the NAS it's okay to violate a No Fly Zone (NFZ)?
Don't get caught. If nobody knows you have committed a crime, have you committed crime? And what is the crime?

In the courtroom for a criminal case, the first part of the prosecutors responsibility is proving that a crime was committed.
Old 03-11-2015, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by bradpaul
Per JohnnyBoy it would be OK to video your neighbor through the bedroom window as there would be no danger to the NAS. John, there are possible illegal activities based on the use of a sUAS that are not based on FAA regulation or Sec. 336.
Nope, never said that. Perverts eventually screw up and get caught. You are mixing apples and oranges. Privacy and the NAS are two separate issues. We have been talking about the NAS, not privacy.
Old 03-11-2015, 07:34 AM
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You can say that again!

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Old 03-11-2015, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I believe the safety code is proprietary. However I do not think it is copyrighted.
If you are speaking of the AMA safety code, it has been published for everyone to read. As far as copyright goes, it has no commercial value and people are encouraged to download it and make it public knowledge by the AMA and the FAA.
Old 03-11-2015, 07:40 AM
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One thing is for sure...In every word disseminated by AMA it asserts that only by the divine virtue of AMA model aviation is a worthwhile and safe activity.... a bunch of hooey...
Old 03-11-2015, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnShe
Oops! forgot about that. It doesn't affect me so I don't keep it in mind. Often wondered what the government would do if anyone violated it. Now we know, not much.
There is at least 1 full scale pilot that inadvertently fly's into that Area per month or more and get an unexpected Fighter Escort and has a lot of explaining and paper work to do. Also may be facing suspension of his/her pilots licence.
The FEDs FAA/NTSB SS ect. take violation of that air space real serious.

DC Airspace Violations Not Unusual

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dc-airsp...s-not-unusual/

11 Places Planes Can't Fly Over in the U.S.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/60106...nt-fly-over-us

This Friday when O'B Won comes to PHX to visit the VA Center, we will not be allowed to fly while he's with in 35 Miles of Our field which is aprox. 26 miles for Sky Harbor..

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Old 03-11-2015, 08:02 AM
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Drome 1. a combining form meaning “running,” “course,” “racecourse” (hippodrome)

Please please please edit the header to Drones
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Old 03-11-2015, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by larry@coyotenet
Drome 1. a combining form meaning “running,” “course,” “racecourse” (hippodrome)

Please please please edit the header to Drones
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Larry:
Ain't never gona happen too many here have had too much fun with it to change it now ...
Old 03-11-2015, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog
Larry:
Ain't never gona happen too many here have had too much fun with it to change it now ...
Yea...this a forum drome thread now!
Old 03-11-2015, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnShe
Nope, never said that. Perverts eventually screw up and get caught. You are mixing apples and oranges. Privacy and the NAS are two separate issues. We have been talking about the NAS, not privacy.
Really? From this thread.

Originally Posted by phlpsfrnk
If an insurance company can show that you were knowingly doing something illegal they can easily deny a claim.

Frank

Originally Posted by JohnShe
Only if it is illegal.
Originally Posted by phlpsfrnk
What part of "knowingly doing something illegal" did you not understand?

Originally Posted by JohnShe
Is it illegal? No law says that it is illegal. It is part of a definition in a funding bill, but no punishment is specified. The FAA interpretation states that punishment will be applied only if the NAS is endangered.

Don't endanger the NAS and you are not breaking any law.

Originally Posted by bradpaul
Per JohnnyBoy it would be OK to video your neighbor through the bedroom window as there would be no danger to the NAS. John, there are possible illegal activities based on the use of a sUAS that are not based on FAA regulation or Sec. 336.
Want to try again?



Old 03-11-2015, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bradpaul


Want to try again?

Come on Brad, do you really want him to try again? My head is starting to hurt.
Old 03-11-2015, 08:51 AM
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Good to know little one.
Old 03-11-2015, 08:55 AM
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10 years and has never had an NAS incursion.
I thought you said the NAS went down to the ground?
Old 03-11-2015, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnShe
If you are speaking of the AMA safety code, it has been published for everyone to read. As far as copyright goes, it has no commercial value and people are encouraged to download it and make it public knowledge by the AMA and the FAA.
Right, but it is not a public document though. Thus proprietary.
Old 03-11-2015, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Right, but it is not a public document though. Thus proprietary.
What is "proprietary" about the safety code? It is certainly not privately owned by the AMA.

Frank
Old 03-11-2015, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by phlpsfrnk
What is "proprietary" about the safety code? It is certainly not privately owned by the AMA.

Frank
I think it is just as proprietary as AMA "programming" which AFAIK is limited to re-distributing TFRs. Have I left anything out? What does FAA consider to be "within the programming of a CBO?" What does AMA consider to be "within the programming of CBO?" Citations please.
Old 03-11-2015, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by cj_rumley
I think it is just as proprietary as AMA "programming" which AFAIK is limited to re-distributing TFRs. Have I left anything out? What does FAA consider to be "within the programming of a CBO?" What does AMA consider to be "within the programming of CBO?" Citations please.
Since the FAA has indirectly recognized the AMA as a CO in their "Interpretation of the Rule for Model Aircraft", IMHO the ball in in the AMA 's court to state what they require to be "within the programming of a nationwide community based organization". We may find it is a simple as following the Safety Code, or that membership in the AMA is required......... All is speculation until the CBO goes on record.

BTW, also IMHO it is necessary for the AMA to do this ASAP as that is what the AMA members are relying on to comply with Sec 336.
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duplicate post in error
Old 03-11-2015, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cj_rumley
I think it is just as proprietary as AMA "programming" which AFAIK is limited to re-distributing TFRs. Have I left anything out? What does FAA consider to be "within the programming of a CBO?" What does AMA consider to be "within the programming of CBO?" Citations please.
Last time I looked the forms and documents for things like the turbine and over 55 lb. waivers were in the members only section which by the way you have to be a member to be granted a wavier. The safety code is not in the members only and it is not copyrighted nor is it proprietary data. Not sure what you are getting at with " as proprietary as AMA "programming" which AFAIK is limited to re-distributing TFRs." What does Temporary Flight Restrictions have to do with this discussion?

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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I thought you said the NAS went down to the ground?
At an airport or any aircraft landing spot. Our club is 4 and a half miles from an airport. We have a standing agreement with the airport. Very rarely do planes fly over us low enough for us to land immediately. I think that, since I have been a member of the club, one helicopter flew by low enough for us to react.
Old 03-11-2015, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by phlpsfrnk
What is "proprietary" about the safety code? It is certainly not privately owned by the AMA.

Frank
The fact that they freely give it out does not mean they do not own it. It is after all the "AMA" safety code. I think that means they own it.
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Originally Posted by HoundDog
There is at least 1 full scale pilot that inadvertently fly's into that Area per month or more and get an unexpected Fighter Escort and has a lot of explaining and paper work to do. Also may be facing suspension of his/her pilots licence.
The FEDs FAA/NTSB SS ect. take violation of that air space real serious.

DC Airspace Violations Not Unusual

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dc-airsp...s-not-unusual/

11 Places Planes Can't Fly Over in the U.S.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/60106...nt-fly-over-us

This Friday when O'B Won comes to PHX to visit the VA Center, we will not be allowed to fly while he's with in 35 Miles of Our field which is aprox. 26 miles for Sky Harbor..
Which one of those refers to model airplanes? We were talking about model airplanes weren't we?
Old 03-11-2015, 10:25 AM
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At an airport or any aircraft landing spot.
That was not the argument. I agreed that the NAS went to the ground at an airport. You or perhaps others said the NAS went to the ground everywhere.


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