Dues increase coming? 1 million spent on government relations.....
12-05-2015, 07:35 PM
#1976
Yes, we're all interested in the analytics. Sure real-time dashboards would be nice. We also need to realize it's a marketing program and things take time and results are small. Just ask anyone who works in sales. Just ask yourself when was the last time you responded to a mailer or a free something or other you received. However, at the end of the day you need to start somewhere and the goal of any organization is to sustain itself. Go to any club meeting in this country and it's easy to see why the AMA needs to some serious recruiting if they want to stay in business.
12-05-2015, 08:29 PM
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LOL! There's that and then there's the CBO tragicomedy where the fat lady isn't singing yet. Invited to the sUAS ARC only to provide expertise defining what a model aircraft already exempted from UAS regulation is, AMA got us lumped in with them as regulated aircraft, spawned the CBO crap that kicked 90% of the modelers in the country that are not AMA members to the curb, and after the costly lobbying of Congress that enacted sect. 336, still has not produced anything whatever of value for AMA members, never mind all the other modelers in the country. And the next round of litigation with the gummit is focused on getting "recognition" as The CBO, for all that's worth even if they win. I put a value on that effort as zip-zero-squat, but I don't have to tell you it is going to cost a helluva lot more than that.
12-05-2015, 09:07 PM
#1978
If the PPP is/was a failure then membership is the one to blame. The AMA never needed to create PPP to begin with. I suspect it was created due to the membership complaining about dues being too expensive and how more folks would join the AMA if a lower cost option was available. Guess what? They created it, marketed it, and from what I've read here not many existing/new AMA members took advantage of it. At least now they can say they listened to the membership and the reality is there isn't much interest in it.
12-05-2015, 09:14 PM
#1979
If that's what they're doing, marketing (or loss leader as you mention in a later post), then there's no problem with it I suppose as long as they've also decided on time horizons to decide success. For example, what if they're not getting the memberships after a year? Two? Three? Five? or Ten? Have they decided on a time to make a hard decision whether it's working or not? If not, then I suggest the program runs the risk of being a money sump...one where the organization continues to put good money after bad.
12-05-2015, 09:17 PM
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LOL! There's that and then there's the CBO tragicomedy where the fat lady isn't singing yet. Invited to the sUAS ARC only to provide expertise defining what a model aircraft already exempted from UAS regulation is, AMA got us lumped in with them as regulated aircraft, spawned the CBO crap that kicked 90% of the modelers in the country that are not AMA members to the curb, and after the costly lobbying of Congress that enacted sect. 336, still has not produced anything whatever of value for AMA members, never mind all the other modelers in the country. And the next round of litigation with the gummit is focused on getting "recognition" as The CBO, for all that's worth even if they win. I put a value on that effort as zip-zero-squat, but I don't have to tell you it is going to cost a helluva lot more than that.
12-05-2015, 09:32 PM
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Will I pay at the AMA toll gate to gain access to my club flying site? Yes. Do tens of thousands of other modelers pay that toll for no reason other than access to a flying site? Yes
12-05-2015, 09:38 PM
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12-05-2015, 09:53 PM
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Don't think AMA needs draftees like me? Let AMA drop the mandate that chartered clubs must allow access to AMA members exclusively and watch the house of cards fall. AMA needs us more than we need them.
12-06-2015, 04:18 AM
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If the PPP is/was a failure then membership is the one to blame. The AMA never needed to create PPP to begin with. I suspect it was created due to the membership complaining about dues being too expensive and how more folks would join the AMA if a lower cost option was available. Guess what? They created it, marketed it, and from what I've read here not many existing/new AMA members took advantage of it. At least now they can say they listened to the membership and the reality is there isn't much interest in it.
and be sure to include data from the membership survey they sent out prior to enacting it.
and some of us were here and do remember the results of that survey.
12-06-2015, 04:18 AM
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12-06-2015, 04:55 AM
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would you mind sourcing the quote/link/paper or whatever ya got that gave you the erroneous idea that the PPP membership idea was membership driven?
and be sure to include data from the membership survey they sent out prior to enacting it.
and some of us were here and do remember the results of that survey.
and be sure to include data from the membership survey they sent out prior to enacting it.
and some of us were here and do remember the results of that survey.
12-06-2015, 04:58 AM
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12-06-2015, 05:01 AM
#1989
Why not sell it to your club? Get all the equivalent (or better) insurance coverage, your club needs and drop the AMA entirely. Just think, if one club does it all clubs can do it. Club doesn't want to do it, no problem, start your own club, no AMA required.
12-06-2015, 05:15 AM
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http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...n3flyfree.aspx
12-06-2015, 05:19 AM
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12-06-2015, 05:29 AM
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Just think how much $$$ you'll save when you take advantage of their recruiting program:
http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...n3flyfree.aspx
http://www.modelaircraft.org/members...n3flyfree.aspx
Thanks for your input as always.
Mike
12-06-2015, 05:42 AM
#1995
That's been in effect for years. Since there's no huge increase in PAYING members it's not a factor is it?
Thanks for your input as always.
Just wanted to make sure you knew you will be rewarded for recognizing and addressing the critical situation of your first post above.
Mike
Thanks for your input as always.
Just wanted to make sure you knew you will be rewarded for recognizing and addressing the critical situation of your first post above.
Mike
12-06-2015, 06:05 AM
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If it keeps up they way it's heading it's not.
"Just wanted to make sure you knew you will be rewarded for recognizing and addressing the critical situation of your first post above."
I'm well aware of the programs offered and as I pointed out this one seems to be a non factor as far as PAYING new members.
Once again thanks for your input
Mike
"Just wanted to make sure you knew you will be rewarded for recognizing and addressing the critical situation of your first post above."
I'm well aware of the programs offered and as I pointed out this one seems to be a non factor as far as PAYING new members.
Once again thanks for your input
Mike
12-06-2015, 06:24 AM
#1997
I do give the AMA credit for trying tough. If everything in business was guaranteed everyone would be independently wealthy.
12-06-2015, 07:16 AM
#1998
Just like the first amendment I may not like what U say (Or your Opinions) but I'll defend your right to say it . That being said:
If U only Join the AMA to have access to a flying site too bad I feel sorry For U. There is so much more to this hobby/sport than going to a place and fly 3 times for a total of maybe a half hour in the air. If U aren't flying "LLectric" that is. There are an estimated 500 thousand people flying some sort of R/C in the USA today. Subtracting the AMA's 180/185 from a half million (Soon to be a Million and a half) we find 170% more people Flying R/C than the whole of the AMA. Now if U or anyone else dislikes the AMA so much, I suggest either U or them run for office in the AMA and change it from within.
On The other Hand is to save your Dues and Join the 170%, soon to be 1.5 million / 180k over 800% of the people flying R/C TOYs. that don't need the AMA and it's expense just to fly TOY airplanes in the USA. If U and others are so unhappy with the AMA (For any reason) then show your disdain by selling all your TOYs to those that Appreciate the AMA and all they do for the Hobby/Sport and Go buy an R/C Sailboat a lawn chair and a 6 pac. Then when U sober up U can wonder where the dumb sail boat went. LOL.
12-06-2015, 09:21 AM
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For the record. I never said the PPP was a success. It never appealed to me since I've always flown aircraft too large to quality for the PPP. My point is, with all the bellyaching about the cost of dues (as evidenced early on in this very thread) I could see where the AMA would try to appease those members as well as attract new members perhaps on fixed incomes flying small aircraft who qualify for the PPP.
I do give the AMA credit for trying tough. If everything in business was guaranteed everyone would be independently wealthy.
I do give the AMA credit for trying tough. If everything in business was guaranteed everyone would be independently wealthy.
12-06-2015, 10:00 AM
#2000
If you had understood what Franklin tried explaining to you regarding to the satirical quote (anon) that I posted earlier, you would know that what is guaranteed by the way some conduct their business is bankruptcy. If you are losing money on every sale, the only effect of volume is on the pace of going broke.
Why don't you ask Franklin, how much public transparency his employer provides?