rcmiket

Thanks I thought so too. I'm not surprised you don't see it.

Thanks anyway

Mike

Chris P. Bacon

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Oh, I see something loud and clear.

franklin_m

I'm happy to do that. So that you can't come back later and say I didn't get an answer because I asked the wrong person, used the process, filled out the wrong form etc. What process should I use to request one piece of information (to start): last five years of demographic data?

porcia83

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In this and in other threads you have highlighted your extensive career in the military, and more currently the thousands of dollars a day you charge for your consulting services. Are you really asking how to go about asking the AMA for information? I'm hoping you are asking just to be facetious, or make some kind of odd point, because if not, I'm genuinely at a loss.

Try here for a start though......

http://www.modelaircraft.org/

You admittedly struggled in the past in dealing with the AMA at a national level, so maybe set your sights a bit lower, and start here......

http://www.amadistrict-iii.com/

Final hint...I already see an problem with your request though...asking for "last 5 years of demographic data". Is that being asked to be intentionally vague, so that if you can't get that it's something to complain about? It's so overly broad and non-specific you have to know it's not going to be answered. Tighten the scope of your question, both from a content and time-frame perspective. Good luck, keep us posted.

franklin_m

I'm asking to avoid either you or your compadre bacon coming back later and say I didn't get an answer because I asked the wrong person, used the wrong method, etc.

So, go on record and tell me how I should submit my question. Your point of scope is fair, and it will be narrowly framed, what I would like from you is an on record statement about the process to use.

franklin_m

And FYI, I contacted my district rep and proposed a motion for the board to provide an active duty discount equivalent to the 65 and older discount; verification would be via "Statement of Service" letter on DoD letterhead from their command or similar document (I've signed hundreds of them for my people throughout my career).

Response copied Dave M., said they would not even bring it to the EC for a vote.

cj_rumley

Exactly the response my proposal to remove the idiotic "one trial flight per lifetime" rule got from former President Dave Brown when my DVP previewed it with him the day it was to be voted on by the EC.

In retrospect, it was at least an elected officer of AMA that nixed it.

franklin_m

Yeah, I get concerned when organizations won't even put a reasonable proposal to a vote. To me it was a powerful indicator that they don't want to go on record saying no to active duty military. I can only imagine how much anguish a roll call vote on the issue would cause...but sadly we'll never no because one person vetoed it.

cj_rumley

Try this: I am eligible for a senior discount but don't need it. I'm more than willing to pass that option on as a credit to someone on active duty, as I am sure many others would.

combatpigg

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The PPP had about as much a chance of succeeding as a surf board factory in Alaska, yet you applaud them for trying.

porcia83

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Your transparent attempt to back me into a corner fails, again. As if commenting here is on some type of "record". Go back and look at my prior posts for specific direction on how to communicate effectively. If you paid as much attention to that as you are to playing pedantic games here, your ideas may actually get to someone. Or better yet..look below, seems as though you already do know how to communicate and get a response, the issue is you just don't like the answer. Is it because you don't get what you want...I don't know. Sure seems that way. Not every idea is accepted, not every suggestion implemented. It's nothing personal I'm sure.


So what we have here is an idea you proposed, and sent to someone via some unknown source. Was it by phone, no, since you indicate a response was "copied". Was it by regular mail, or e-mail...unclear since you didn't communicate that effectively. Let's go on the assumption it was an e-mail. So you sent it, got some type of response, but it wasn't to your liking. So it looks like you do know how to be heard, you just don't like the response you got. So part of the communication problem has been solved right here. Excellent.


See that name....guess who is in your district?

So again you have concerns about the organization because they won't put a "reasonable" proposal to a vote. Let's get past the whole concept of "reasonable", since that's your take on it, not the EC's. Forget the issue you wanted voted on (I'll get back to that though), just think about how ineffective any of the meetings would be if they spent their time either discussing or voting on EVERY idea that people send to them. I can imagine how how much anguish the membership would have it the EC spent all that time on those issues rather than getting the business done they are elected to get done.

I've asked this of you before, or perhaps suggested it, and I don't mean it as a personal attack, merely a reminder that it might not be the message that isn't getting through, but the messenger, and the methodology. Even noting what you said above "they don't want to go on record saying no"...seems to me you might have structured the request in a way that makes them take caution, ie if they don't accept your premise, suddenly they are anti-active duty, or "don't want to go on record". Kind of like continuing the ask me how to communicate with the AMA...and going on record.

Getting back to your suggestion...it's a fine one of course, who could possibly not want to honor active duty folks, and show them a little courtesy/thanks but offering either a free or discounted membership. Honestly, I can't help but think there would be a group of folks who might just do that. You already see folks complaining about the youth memberships. Where does the AMA draw the line. Active Duty, how about Veterans. How about Law Enforcement, etc etc etc. Yes, they have senior discounts in there, that's about the most universal group in the US that gets discounts, for a number of reasons.

Now this is just me...but from my perspective, wouldn't it make more sense to channel all this effort and energy into finding new and creating ways of increasing membership, perhaps at the youth level, and promoting all the good things that come from this hobby? The safety, the science, the fun? I guess you can keep asking for discounts for groups, and keep digging for demographic data, all the while noting you will be quitting the AMA, I'm just not sure where that is going to lead. By no means am I suggesting you NOT ask the questions you want to ask.

porcia83

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http://www.icywaves.com/

It's not a factory, but that sure looks fun. And cold! Who woulda thought there are two surf shops in Alaska

combatpigg

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I guess you could call their Walmart a "Surf Shop" too.

porcia83

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Perhaps, I hear you can see Russia from the parking lot of Walmart.

Chris P. Bacon

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Did he say why?

combatpigg

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I hear you were just 2 inches shy of getting a date with her.

cj_rumley

A: the largest number of dues payers that don't give a rat's patootie for the AMA flying site in Muncie

porcia83

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Makes about as much sense as the one above you. Does Dave Brown not care about the flying site in Muncie?

init4fun

PPP was doomed from the start because folks who fly small parkies in the park traditionally have no need for the AMA , as there is no AMA sanctioned club at most small parks to have to join in order to fly there .

cj_rumley

There's that, and guess what? - Park flyers preferred their mobility and liked to fly in parks rather than being pounded into the AMA mold of exclusive fixed flying compounds, members-only of course. And what they got from AMA was a 'turn key' program that at the bottom line was a notebook of instructions that told them how to go to park owning civic entities and sell them AMA insurance if they would build such compounds for them.

porcia83

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An interesting take on the PPP.....to take hobbyists and turn them into insurance agents?

init4fun

Can't really say CJ is wrong , beyond a magazine and set of instructions for setting up a PPP club , what else other than the insurance benefit was offered ?

rcmiket

the warm and fuzzy feeling that you belong....................................

Mike

Chris P. Bacon

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I know several clubs in public parks where the Parks Service requires AMA to fly there. In one of those you don't need to be a club member, but the Parks Service still requires AMA membership to fly there.

Chris P. Bacon

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I wonder what their commission and sales quota is? Guess I've been missing out being a regular AMA member. Everyone loves Bacon, why not throw in a little insurance to boot? Bacon and insurance, perfect together!