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01-20-2016, 07:47 AM
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01-20-2016, 09:22 AM
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Modeling has nothing to do with it. They are trying to take our property away! Do you really want drones flying 200 feet over your property, not knowing what they are doing? I suppose next you can't install an antenna on top of your house.
01-20-2016, 09:23 AM
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01-20-2016, 09:25 AM
#4029
Here's the text of letter Senator Nelson sent to the heads of three agency stakeholders:
To Administrator Huerta, Administrator Bolden, Secretary Carter and Secretary Johnson:
Technological advancements hold immense potential to improve lives, while also creating new, unintended dangers. Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS) are no exception to this. While industries clamor to integrate UAS into their operations to improve safety, increase efficiency, and promote growth, we must be vigilant to mitigate the safety and security risks that this new technology presents.
The characteristics of UAS—small, inexpensive, portable, and anonymous—lend themselves to nefarious uses by a range of actors, from criminals to lone-wolf terrorists. Ground-based fences and other security systems are not a practical deterrent to UAS, unbounded by altitude limitations. Each incident of a UAS sighted near an airport runway, or used to smuggle contraband over a prison wall, reminds us that this technology poses another kind of threat.
Because our national defense and critical infrastructure security systems are vulnerable to this threat, so we must evolve to meet it. To that end, I ask that your agencies increase collaboration to mitigate the risk posed by UAS to aviation, critical infrastructure, and national security.
Additionally, the safety of the skies relies on your agencies’ air traffic control operations to separate and de-conflict tens of thousands of flights per day, transporting millions of passengers and cargo. Rapidly evolving technology, paired with the exponential market penetration of UAS and the ease of use for operators with no aviation experience or knowledge, promise to deliver new challenges.
What strategies or technologies are you pursuing to prevent UAS from entering airspace above or immediately adjacent to critical infrastructure and sensitive locations? Are you considering additional airspace restrictions to address the flight characteristics and capabilities of UAS that differ from manned aircraft? What is the status of federal collaboration to meet these challenges in a manner that promotes safety without stifling growth in the UAS or traditional aviation industries?
Leveraging the expertise and efforts of your agencies through collaboration and communication will enable our nation to meet the threats and challenges posed by UAS and take advantage of the opportunities too. Congress should be your partner in these endeavors, and as we work to reauthorize aviation programs, I ask that you keep me informed of developments to promote safety and security for UAS.
To Administrator Huerta, Administrator Bolden, Secretary Carter and Secretary Johnson:
Technological advancements hold immense potential to improve lives, while also creating new, unintended dangers. Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS) are no exception to this. While industries clamor to integrate UAS into their operations to improve safety, increase efficiency, and promote growth, we must be vigilant to mitigate the safety and security risks that this new technology presents.
The characteristics of UAS—small, inexpensive, portable, and anonymous—lend themselves to nefarious uses by a range of actors, from criminals to lone-wolf terrorists. Ground-based fences and other security systems are not a practical deterrent to UAS, unbounded by altitude limitations. Each incident of a UAS sighted near an airport runway, or used to smuggle contraband over a prison wall, reminds us that this technology poses another kind of threat.
Because our national defense and critical infrastructure security systems are vulnerable to this threat, so we must evolve to meet it. To that end, I ask that your agencies increase collaboration to mitigate the risk posed by UAS to aviation, critical infrastructure, and national security.
Additionally, the safety of the skies relies on your agencies’ air traffic control operations to separate and de-conflict tens of thousands of flights per day, transporting millions of passengers and cargo. Rapidly evolving technology, paired with the exponential market penetration of UAS and the ease of use for operators with no aviation experience or knowledge, promise to deliver new challenges.
What strategies or technologies are you pursuing to prevent UAS from entering airspace above or immediately adjacent to critical infrastructure and sensitive locations? Are you considering additional airspace restrictions to address the flight characteristics and capabilities of UAS that differ from manned aircraft? What is the status of federal collaboration to meet these challenges in a manner that promotes safety without stifling growth in the UAS or traditional aviation industries?
Leveraging the expertise and efforts of your agencies through collaboration and communication will enable our nation to meet the threats and challenges posed by UAS and take advantage of the opportunities too. Congress should be your partner in these endeavors, and as we work to reauthorize aviation programs, I ask that you keep me informed of developments to promote safety and security for UAS.
Sincerely,
/s/ Senator Nelson
/s/ Senator Nelson
And these are the guys LEADING our country. God Save Us From congress and all the 2.3,4,&5 letter government types that are here to save us from ourselves.
01-20-2016, 09:43 AM
#4030
U can equip any drone with ADS-B and program it to get out of the way of Maned Aircraft and each other for that mater after Jan 1 2020 because NOTHING will be flying in NAS with out the ADS-B Technology on board. Except Birds bugs and Dummies Of course.
Drone Delivery both Aerial and surface will be as common place 5 to 10 years from know as the Brown Trucks are to day. Just look how our hobby has progressed in the last 5 to 10 years DRONES Both Commercial and Hobby are here or coming to a place near U sooner that anyone thinks ... Man I Hope they archive there Threads and we can see how stupid things were.
01-20-2016, 10:12 AM
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All delivery as well as commercial an GA can be programed to go around i/r/ By Pass all known Registered R/C Flying fields and their flight areas. We Have the Technology the question do we want to Use it. Take all the Amazon distribution points in the USA and figure just how many R/C Flying fields there with in Their 10 mily delivery Zone.. Also check if any Amazon Where House is With in 5 miles of any towered airport.
U can equip any drone with ADS-B and program it to get out of the way of Maned Aircraft and each other for that mater after Jan 1 2020 because NOTHING will be flying in NAS with out the ADS-B Technology on board. Except Birds bugs and Dummies Of course.
Drone Delivery both Aerial and surface will be as common place 5 to 10 years from know as the Brown Trucks are to day. Just look how our hobby has progressed in the last 5 to 10 years DRONES Both Commercial and Hobby are here or coming to a place near U sooner that anyone thinks ... Man I Hope they archive there Threads and we can see how stupid things were.
U can equip any drone with ADS-B and program it to get out of the way of Maned Aircraft and each other for that mater after Jan 1 2020 because NOTHING will be flying in NAS with out the ADS-B Technology on board. Except Birds bugs and Dummies Of course.
Drone Delivery both Aerial and surface will be as common place 5 to 10 years from know as the Brown Trucks are to day. Just look how our hobby has progressed in the last 5 to 10 years DRONES Both Commercial and Hobby are here or coming to a place near U sooner that anyone thinks ... Man I Hope they archive there Threads and we can see how stupid things were.
So they stay small and get real popular with everything from clothes, pizza, and condoms flying over your house, not several but thousands each day. Do you want that?
01-20-2016, 02:38 PM
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01-20-2016, 03:33 PM
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01-20-2016, 03:41 PM
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and, to aid in the other side "seeing and avoiding"
from the multirotorforums news gathering robot.
http://www.multirotorforums.com/thre...av-ugcs.30339/
from the multirotorforums news gathering robot.
http://www.multirotorforums.com/thre...av-ugcs.30339/
01-20-2016, 04:07 PM
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Found it. They called it a "quad-rotor"...lol, that's a new one on me. When I watched it in full I see they had an ultra micro plane programmed for structure avoidance as well. Pretty interesting.
01-20-2016, 06:23 PM
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01-21-2016, 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog 
All delivery as well as commercial an GA can be programed to go around i/r/ By Pass all known Registered R/C Flying fields and their flight areas. We Have the Technology the question do we want to Use it. .
01-21-2016, 09:53 AM
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At just over 200 feet you will find kites, promotion balloons, model rockets, bottle rockets, model airplanes, and many other things that will not be on maps As well as the aforementioned airgun pellets. So I really don't think the Amazon proposal is a workable solution for them. They need to work with the FAA to use navigable airspace.
01-22-2016, 06:40 AM
#4044
The AGM28B Hound Dog Missile could follow terrain as low as 200. That was way back in the late 50'early 60's. It was air launched from a B-52 had inertial guidance (Long before GPS) Fly Low for 600 miles and climb to the altitude where it would detonate with 100 times the power of Hiroshima. And that was considered a very small atomic weapon.
Down on the deck at 700 Kts at altitude it hit 1200 MPH
[h=3]Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) - AOPA[/h]www.aopa.org/.../Air-Traffic-Serv...
Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association
Jun 3, 2015 - The issue: ADS-B, or Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast, is a cornerstone of NextGen air traffic modernization, and the FAA has mandated that aircraft operating in airspace that now requires a Mode C transponder must be equipped with ADS-B Out by Jan. 1, 2020.
The equipment could be miniaturized so it can be used on Models and Drones. Look what they have done with GPS and auto pilots on our R/C TOYS already. No more Mid Airs at the R/C Field.
01-22-2016, 06:55 AM
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01-22-2016, 08:08 AM
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01-22-2016, 08:30 AM
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Try the Late 50's early 60's
The AGM28B Hound Dog Missile could follow terrain as low as 200. That was way back in the late 50'early 60's. It was air launched from a B-52 had inertial guidance (Long before GPS) Fly Low for 600 miles and climb to the altitude where it would detonate with 100 times the power of Hiroshima. And that was considered a very small atomic weapon.
Down on the deck at 700 Kts at altitude it hit 1200 MPH
Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) - AOPA
www.aopa.org/.../Air-Traffic-Serv...
Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association
Jun 3, 2015 - The issue: ADS-B, or Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast, is a cornerstone of NextGen air traffic modernization, and the FAA has mandated that aircraft operating in airspace that now requires a Mode C transponder must be equipped with ADS-B Out by Jan. 1, 2020.
The equipment could be miniaturized so it can be used on Models and Drones. Look what they have done with GPS and auto pilots on our R/C TOYS already. No more Mid Airs at the R/C Field.
The AGM28B Hound Dog Missile could follow terrain as low as 200. That was way back in the late 50'early 60's. It was air launched from a B-52 had inertial guidance (Long before GPS) Fly Low for 600 miles and climb to the altitude where it would detonate with 100 times the power of Hiroshima. And that was considered a very small atomic weapon.
Down on the deck at 700 Kts at altitude it hit 1200 MPH
Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) - AOPA
www.aopa.org/.../Air-Traffic-Serv...
Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association
Jun 3, 2015 - The issue: ADS-B, or Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast, is a cornerstone of NextGen air traffic modernization, and the FAA has mandated that aircraft operating in airspace that now requires a Mode C transponder must be equipped with ADS-B Out by Jan. 1, 2020.
The equipment could be miniaturized so it can be used on Models and Drones. Look what they have done with GPS and auto pilots on our R/C TOYS already. No more Mid Airs at the R/C Field.
And then some poor little woodchuck stuck his head outta his hidey hole , and BOOM !
01-23-2016, 02:52 AM
#4049
As citizens, one would think we have some rights over what happens over our heads on our own land and also what happens under our feet on our own land. My suspicion is we will see a lot of law cases in the days ahead as more and more drones take to the skies.
01-23-2016, 06:49 AM
#4050
Drones Including Ground based are going to be so prevalent in the next 5 to 10 years. No one will give it another thought . Who even imagined 100 years ago the skies would have over a quarter Million Registered airplanes and thousands, caring 90 to 380 passengers all over the world. There are 252.6 million Cars and trucks on 3,980,817 miles of roads in the United States,No won could have even fathomed anything like that100 years ago. Not even 70 years ago.
We have the Technology today to put hundreds of thousands of robotic vehicles on the road and in the air Especially if they are not all going to the same place at the same time as our hub and spoke system of air travel today. Just saying in 5 to 10 years it will all be a moot point. First the Enroute ATC will slowly disappear then Towers at air ports will disappear and computers will control every thing that flies . The FAA knows that that's why they are Fighting for control of every airborne vehicle and as much airspace as the possibly can, All in hopes they will still be a viable entity ounce the FAA MODERNIZATION AND REFORM ACT OF2012 is put into full affect and eliminates thousand of controllers jobs. They will be replaced by computer repair, programing and installers.The technology is already here. The FAA is still in the dark ages of air space control.
That doesn't mean we should not FIGHT as one common body for our right not Privilege to our piece of the air space around us. Traditional R/V Model air planes have never been a problem, even above 400'AGL. It's time to stop bickering and nit picking about someones choice of font or name calling and figure a way to have the FAA Tackle the real problem of the uneducated ill informed people flying Non-Traditional "QUADS MR's DRONES" Where, When, & How they are not to be flown. If fail to accomplish that we deserve to be regulated out of our own Piece of the SKY. Now it is our choice. If U/we continue to bicker about nothing, then U/We/Me are a big part of the Problem Not the Solution. Remember we have the power, if we choose to be United .Divided we all will be regulated out of existence. Your choice. Simple as that.
We have the Technology today to put hundreds of thousands of robotic vehicles on the road and in the air Especially if they are not all going to the same place at the same time as our hub and spoke system of air travel today. Just saying in 5 to 10 years it will all be a moot point. First the Enroute ATC will slowly disappear then Towers at air ports will disappear and computers will control every thing that flies . The FAA knows that that's why they are Fighting for control of every airborne vehicle and as much airspace as the possibly can, All in hopes they will still be a viable entity ounce the FAA MODERNIZATION AND REFORM ACT OF2012 is put into full affect and eliminates thousand of controllers jobs. They will be replaced by computer repair, programing and installers.The technology is already here. The FAA is still in the dark ages of air space control.
That doesn't mean we should not FIGHT as one common body for our right not Privilege to our piece of the air space around us. Traditional R/V Model air planes have never been a problem, even above 400'AGL. It's time to stop bickering and nit picking about someones choice of font or name calling and figure a way to have the FAA Tackle the real problem of the uneducated ill informed people flying Non-Traditional "QUADS MR's DRONES" Where, When, & How they are not to be flown. If fail to accomplish that we deserve to be regulated out of our own Piece of the SKY. Now it is our choice. If U/we continue to bicker about nothing, then U/We/Me are a big part of the Problem Not the Solution. Remember we have the power, if we choose to be United .Divided we all will be regulated out of existence. Your choice. Simple as that.
Last edited by HoundDog; 01-23-2016 at 06:51 AM.