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Old 01-26-2016, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket
They also "agreed" to work out reopening the fields closed in the DC area, hows that working out?

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They never said there was any such agreement.
Old 01-26-2016, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rgburrill
Aren't you the one who said you were a legal expert or something like that? And you don't even know the difference between libel and liable?
I never said I was a legal expert. I am a very experienced engineer who writes specifications and that the terminology on the registration was not enforceable. The AMA later said the same thing. BTW engineers are not good spellers.
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Originally Posted by rgburrill
That isn't what it says numbnuts.
They said they have an agreement "in principle". Which means the same thing.
Old 01-26-2016, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
That's not at all what it says and you've been corrected about this several times already. Quite frankly, I'm having trouble believing anything you post anymore with your inability get simply fact straight.
I can't help it if you don't understand the term "agreement in principle".
Old 01-26-2016, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TJ EWING
Uhuhh. But others out there are rebutting your response. Care to respond ?
I have a life. And spending too much of it on here as it is!
Old 01-26-2016, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TJ EWING
I appreciate your dilemma Mike but I was referring to post 4095. "I don't think you are understanding that we won't have to register. Just use our AMA number." A statement from Sport_Pilot.
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A completely true statement. Notice I did not say it would happen now, a year from now or whatever. But it will happen.
Old 01-26-2016, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I can't help it if you don't understand the term "agreement in principle".
The house isn't sold until the check clears the bank.
Old 01-27-2016, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
The house isn't sold until the check clears the bank.
But owe money if you break the sales contract.

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Old 01-27-2016, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
They never said there was any such agreement.
What's the difference between "agreeing to use the AMA number" ( which isn't happened yet nor is there even a time frame) which you seem to think is written in stone and the FAA agreeing to work with the AMA in the DC issue? Isn't the fact they are willing to sit down and try a hash out the issue sort of a geeing?

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Old 01-27-2016, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket
What's the difference between "agreeing to use the AMA number" ( which isn't happened yet nor is there even a time frame) which you seem to think is written in stone and the FAA agreeing to work with the AMA in the DC issue? Isn't the fact they are willing to sit down and try a hash out the issue sort of a geeing?

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Fromm the AMA Government Relations Blog.

To date, FAA has agreed in principle to several proposed initiatives that will help ease this process for our members. Specifically, they are:
  • AMA and the FAA are working to streamline the registration process for AMA members whereby those who register with the FAA will be able to use their AMA number as the primary identification on their model aircraft, as opposed to adding a new federal registration number.
  • In addition, AMA members’ federal registration will automatically renew provided membership remains active and current. We are working with FAA in negotiating the renewal fee, but in any case it is envisioned the renewal process will be provided as a member benefit.
  • In the future, federal registration will automatically be accomplished upon joining the AMA, eliminating the need to register with both AMA and the FAA.
So the last one is automatic registration. And it one of the initiatives they have "agreed to in principle". Unless misstated by AMA that is a binding contract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_in_principle
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Fromm the AMA Government Relations Blog.



So the last one is automatic registration. And it one of the initiatives they have "agreed to in principle". Unless misstated by AMA that is a binding contract.

Wow, talk about a stretch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_in_principle
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Fromm the AMA Government Relations Blog.



So the last one is automatic registration. And it one of the initiatives they have "agreed to in principle". Unless misstated by AMA that is a binding contract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_in_principle
Your kidding right, Binding contract? Be sure and let the FAA know about that. They blew off SEC. 336 which is a law passed by congress like it was nothing. Seems like they are the ones making up the rules don't ya think?

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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
But owe money if you bread the sales contract.
Good luck collecting on one of those.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
A completely true statement. Notice I did not say it would happen now, a year from now or whatever. But it will happen.
You cannot guarantee it will ever happen.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Fromm the AMA Government Relations Blog.



So the last one is automatic registration. And it one of the initiatives they have "agreed to in principle". Unless misstated by AMA that is a binding contract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_in_principle
Aside form the legalese, I see near zero benefit here to AMA members here. The registration process is trivial and only takes a few minutes to complete, renewal is a once every three year event only taking a few minutes to complete, and not having to put my FAA number on my models is trivial. I use a brother label printer and can easily print multi-line labels. Would only take a few minutes to print new two line labels with both numbers on one label.
Old 01-27-2016, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket
Your kidding right, Binding contract? Be sure and let the FAA know about that. They blew off SEC. 336 which is a law passed by congress like it was nothing. Seems like they are the ones making up the rules don't ya think?
A binding contract does not guarantee that the other party will not break it.

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Old 01-27-2016, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
Aside form the legalese, I see near zero benefit here to AMA members here. The registration process is trivial and only takes a few minutes to complete, renewal is a once every three year event only taking a few minutes to complete, and not having to put my FAA number on my models is trivial. I use a brother label printer and can easily print multi-line labels. Would only take a few minutes to print new two line labels with both numbers on one label.
It may be trivial to you, but it is a complete outrage to me. It may be a first step in getting rid of model airplanes.
Old 01-27-2016, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
A binding contract does not guarantee that the other party will not break it.
Right so why did you even bother with the "binding contract" post?

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Old 01-27-2016, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HoundDog
NO BIG deal now ... But Just something to whine about but Pok'n the Bear (FAA) and it cold get a Lot worse. There are somethings better left alone and FAA Registration is one.

Yup, definetley leaving FAA registration alone. I will let the masses register.
Old 01-27-2016, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by rcmiket
Right so why did you even bother with the "binding contract" post?

Mike

Because it has a greater degree of confidence that an acceptable final agreement will be reached.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
It may be trivial to you, but it is a complete outrage to me. It may be a first step in getting rid of model airplanes.
You'll get over it.
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
You'll get over it.
Maybe but I will never register either.
Old 01-27-2016, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Maybe but I will never register either.
You belong to any AMA chartered clubs or fly at any AMA events? If so, you'll register. Only a matter of time before the AMA requires it.
Old 01-27-2016, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Maybe but I will never register either.
Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
You belong to any AMA chartered clubs or fly at any AMA events? If so, you'll register. Only a matter of time before the AMA requires it.
Chris , Ol Sport here is toyin' with ya , He said some months ago in a different thread that he's not currently active in the hobby , and is just here for the talking points . So yes , when and if he resumes flying anything over 1/2 pound he'll either register or be at risk of a severe boning at the hands of the FAA .

PS , Sport , before ya say it , yea I know , any charges the FAA were to levy would have to be upheld in a court of law and it's no 100% certainty the FAA would win , yada yada yada , BUT ! , , With the $$$$ you'd spend winning that favorable decision , the FAA will still have won as they will have torn considerable $$$$ outta yer hide in lawyer's fees defending yourself ...

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Old 01-27-2016, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
You belong to any AMA chartered clubs or fly at any AMA events? If so, you'll register. Only a matter of time before the AMA requires it.
I don't have to register, the AMA does not require it. And I will not fly if they do. I'll wait it out with micro designs if they do.


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