Are you ready to register your aircraft?
10-25-2015, 11:59 AM
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nope wont let anyone know what i got and if we stop talking about it it mght go away
10-25-2015, 05:48 PM
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.silent,
near as i can tell from talking to several governmentese specialized legal sources, all it take to be a "CBO" is, to be an organization and declare yourself a "CBO".
after that is is up to each department or agency to either recognize or not your "programming"
no department or agency will ever declare any group to be a CBO
near as i can tell from talking to several governmentese specialized legal sources, all it take to be a "CBO" is, to be an organization and declare yourself a "CBO".
after that is is up to each department or agency to either recognize or not your "programming"
no department or agency will ever declare any group to be a CBO
10-25-2015, 08:31 PM
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Registering drones will be as successful in preventing accidents as registering cars have been in preventing car accidents. Registration is just a revenue stream for the government. Technology is a wonderful thing, those who accept personal responsibility and exercise some common sense will get a lot of fun out it. Technology also allows those with a pocket full of cash and a 2 mile per hour brain, to purchase and operate a 100+ mile per hour drone anywhere 24/7.
Watching the show Sharktank Friday night, all five "sharks" joined in on a deal with some drone entrepreneurs, they claimed their drone could go to 10,000 ft., operate out of line of sight following GPS coordinates, at speeds over 100mph, etc. Was surprised that none of the sharks saw the potential dangers involved. Drone related fatalities is not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. 99% of folks will use this technology responsibly, don't have an answer for other 1%.
Watching the show Sharktank Friday night, all five "sharks" joined in on a deal with some drone entrepreneurs, they claimed their drone could go to 10,000 ft., operate out of line of sight following GPS coordinates, at speeds over 100mph, etc. Was surprised that none of the sharks saw the potential dangers involved. Drone related fatalities is not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. 99% of folks will use this technology responsibly, don't have an answer for other 1%.
10-25-2015, 08:34 PM
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Better yet lets ban crashing into full scale planes. There problem solved. Makes more sense than registering millions of toy's IMO.
10-25-2015, 08:39 PM
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Does a community based organization even exist?
10-25-2015, 09:47 PM
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After reading this thread, it's apparent that we can very little at this point, aside from the "wait and see" approach. I seriously doubt that the DOT/FAA will endeavor to require registration of all model aircraft, given the logistical impossibility of keeping track of millions of devices (not to mention the fact that many of these things are created destroyed on a very, frequent basis.) This brings to light the real challenge: what parameters should the FAA adopt to clearly indicate which sUAVs must be registered, and which ones are exempt? Clearly, the FAA's concern is focused very heavily on incidents that involved quadcoptors that were not being used for commercial purposes. It's therefore logical to assume that the parameters will include a large number of quadcoptors. So, will the registration rule only apply to multirotors? If so, will registration only apply to multirotors over a certain wright? Will it matter whether or not the multirotor is equipped with a camera? None of these questions (or the dozens of other questions posed thus far in this thread) can be answered at this time.
If the FAA does decide to require registration of model aircraft that are used solely for hobby and recreational purposes, I think it wold be perfectly reasonable to exempt all aircraft that have the pilot's AMA number on or inside the aircraft, in accordance with the AMA Safety Code. Exemptions could also be offered to Amateur radio operates who put their call sign on the video transmitter of FPV-equipped aircraft, as required by FCC regulations. The goal of registration is to allow authorities to track down the owner of a sUAV, if the sUAV is involved in illegal activity. The AMA's and FCC's databases can do this just as well as an FAA database.
In the end, I do not think registration will stop the highly publicized sUAV incidents that we have seen recently. Most of these pilots know that they are breaking the law. Many, perhaps most, of these people will not register their aircraft, or if they have already done so, they will remove or alter any means of identification from the aircraft before they take pictures from the 50 year line at the Super Bowl. If removal or alteration of identification is difficult or possible (e.g. the registration is linked to a serial number that is electronically encoded into the built-in flight controller,) the pilots will simply use an aircraft that has no serial number, or a serial number that is easy to alter or remove.This is akin to filing off the serial number of a firearm before it is used to commit a crime, a tactic that has been used successfully for many, many years.
If the FAA does decide to require registration of model aircraft that are used solely for hobby and recreational purposes, I think it wold be perfectly reasonable to exempt all aircraft that have the pilot's AMA number on or inside the aircraft, in accordance with the AMA Safety Code. Exemptions could also be offered to Amateur radio operates who put their call sign on the video transmitter of FPV-equipped aircraft, as required by FCC regulations. The goal of registration is to allow authorities to track down the owner of a sUAV, if the sUAV is involved in illegal activity. The AMA's and FCC's databases can do this just as well as an FAA database.
In the end, I do not think registration will stop the highly publicized sUAV incidents that we have seen recently. Most of these pilots know that they are breaking the law. Many, perhaps most, of these people will not register their aircraft, or if they have already done so, they will remove or alter any means of identification from the aircraft before they take pictures from the 50 year line at the Super Bowl. If removal or alteration of identification is difficult or possible (e.g. the registration is linked to a serial number that is electronically encoded into the built-in flight controller,) the pilots will simply use an aircraft that has no serial number, or a serial number that is easy to alter or remove.This is akin to filing off the serial number of a firearm before it is used to commit a crime, a tactic that has been used successfully for many, many years.
10-26-2015, 05:32 AM
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Probably a good time to remind folks about this. I'm sure everyone has already seen this, it's been around for a little while.
https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...ry/UA/#SmallUA
I've highlighted 3 areas that are germane to the discussion (emphasis added by me):
Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. Guidelines for responsible hobby and recreational operations are available at http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/.
Registration is required for all unmanned aircraft (UA) operated for non-hobby or non-recreational purposes.
Registration is also required for Government UA. All Aircraft owned by agencies, offices or subdivisions of: the United States (other than aircraft of the U.S. Armed Forces), the States, the District of Columbia, or a territory or possession of the United States are required to be registered.
What are the chances that this group of 20 or so industry leaders are going to completely revise this and require that every single rc aircraft be registered? I say slim and none. They have a nice framework already in place from which to work from, and a short period of time tom complete this task. If they follow what's already there, I say there will be no big earth shattering change to this hobby. If you want to haul around a 40 pound 8 bladed uav for commercial purposed in the NAS, well then, get ready for some serious paperwork. I've got no problem with that.
https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...ry/UA/#SmallUA
I've highlighted 3 areas that are germane to the discussion (emphasis added by me):
Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. Guidelines for responsible hobby and recreational operations are available at http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/.
Registration is required for all unmanned aircraft (UA) operated for non-hobby or non-recreational purposes.
Registration is also required for Government UA. All Aircraft owned by agencies, offices or subdivisions of: the United States (other than aircraft of the U.S. Armed Forces), the States, the District of Columbia, or a territory or possession of the United States are required to be registered.
What are the chances that this group of 20 or so industry leaders are going to completely revise this and require that every single rc aircraft be registered? I say slim and none. They have a nice framework already in place from which to work from, and a short period of time tom complete this task. If they follow what's already there, I say there will be no big earth shattering change to this hobby. If you want to haul around a 40 pound 8 bladed uav for commercial purposed in the NAS, well then, get ready for some serious paperwork. I've got no problem with that.
10-26-2015, 06:00 AM
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As a flyer whose flying is restricted to AMA chartered fields, I see the value in differentiating between models which do not fly in designated airspace and those that do. You yourself said there should be a way that works for all sUAS. As has been humorously highlighted here, a single blanket approach probably will not work efficiently.`
10-26-2015, 06:01 AM
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Probably a good time to remind folks about this. I'm sure everyone has already seen this, it's been around for a little while.
https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...ry/UA/#SmallUA
I've highlighted 3 areas that are germane to the discussion (emphasis added by me):
Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. Guidelines for responsible hobby and recreational operations are available at http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/.
Registration is required for all unmanned aircraft (UA) operated for non-hobby or non-recreational purposes.
Registration is also required for Government UA. All Aircraft owned by agencies, offices or subdivisions of: the United States (other than aircraft of the U.S. Armed Forces), the States, the District of Columbia, or a territory or possession of the United States are required to be registered.
What are the chances that this group of 20 or so industry leaders are going to completely revise this and require that every single rc aircraft be registered? I say slim and none. They have a nice framework already in place from which to work from, and a short period of time tom complete this task. If they follow what's already there, I say there will be no big earth shattering change to this hobby. If you want to haul around a 40 pound 8 bladed uav for commercial purposed in the NAS, well then, get ready for some serious paperwork. I've got no problem with that.
https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certifi...ry/UA/#SmallUA
I've highlighted 3 areas that are germane to the discussion (emphasis added by me):
Registration is not required for model aircraft operated solely for hobby or recreational purposes. Guidelines for responsible hobby and recreational operations are available at http://www.faa.gov/uas/model_aircraft/.
Registration is required for all unmanned aircraft (UA) operated for non-hobby or non-recreational purposes.
Registration is also required for Government UA. All Aircraft owned by agencies, offices or subdivisions of: the United States (other than aircraft of the U.S. Armed Forces), the States, the District of Columbia, or a territory or possession of the United States are required to be registered.
What are the chances that this group of 20 or so industry leaders are going to completely revise this and require that every single rc aircraft be registered? I say slim and none. They have a nice framework already in place from which to work from, and a short period of time tom complete this task. If they follow what's already there, I say there will be no big earth shattering change to this hobby. If you want to haul around a 40 pound 8 bladed uav for commercial purposed in the NAS, well then, get ready for some serious paperwork. I've got no problem with that.
I agree that the chances that every since R/C aircraft will need to be registered are "slim to none." However, I think some of these aircraft (particularly medium sized and larger multirotor aircraft) will need to be registered.
10-26-2015, 06:22 AM
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You are correct; registration of model aircraft that are used strictly for hobby and recreational purposes is not currently required. However, this may change in the very near future, since the DOT/FAA are currently focused on regulating small sUAVs that have that have endangered the national airspace system, despite the fact that these aircraft were designed, sold, and intended to be used solely for hobby and recreational purposes.
I agree that the chances that every since R/C aircraft will need to be registered are "slim to none." However, I think some of these aircraft (particularly medium sized and larger multirotor aircraft) will need to be registered.
I agree that the chances that every since R/C aircraft will need to be registered are "slim to none." However, I think some of these aircraft (particularly medium sized and larger multirotor aircraft) will need to be registered.
10-26-2015, 07:06 AM
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If anybody noticed, the Government all but destroyed general aviation starting in the late1970's with all the rules placed on pilots, and mfg's. Now not even doctors can afford to own and fly say a cessna 182 as they cost about 250K all due to the government b.s.
The same thing can happen here with toy airplanes
The same thing can happen here with toy airplanes
10-26-2015, 08:11 AM
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You are correct; registration of model aircraft that are used strictly for hobby and recreational purposes is not currently required. However, this may change in the very near future, since the DOT/FAA are currently focused on regulating small sUAVs that have that have endangered the national airspace system, despite the fact that these aircraft were designed, sold, and intended to be used solely for hobby and recreational purposes.
I agree that the chances that every since R/C aircraft will need to be registered are "slim to none." However, I think some of these aircraft (particularly medium sized and larger multirotor aircraft) will need to be registered.
I agree that the chances that every since R/C aircraft will need to be registered are "slim to none." However, I think some of these aircraft (particularly medium sized and larger multirotor aircraft) will need to be registered.
10-26-2015, 08:23 AM
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Absolutely. These new drone entrepreneurs are mixing a drone platform and smartphones, which in my opinion will increase the number of drones in the air and will cause a drone related fatality to happen sooner. The drone issue is like the texting and driving issue, idiots will ignore the law and do whatever they damn well please. You will not find me trying to video aircraft landing /taking off from airports with a drone, I realize the dangers involved and such video is not the worth the risk. No desire to become some you-tube hero.
10-26-2015, 08:35 AM
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Absolutely. These new drone entrepreneurs are mixing a drone platform and smartphones, which in my opinion will increase the number of drones in the air and will cause a drone related fatality to happen sooner. The drone issue is like the texting and driving issue, idiots will ignore the law and do whatever they damn well please. You will not find me trying to video aircraft landing /taking off from airports with a drone, I realize the dangers involved and such video is not the worth the risk. No desire to become some you-tube hero.
10-26-2015, 09:40 AM
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Drone Registration (rant) From Down Under.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EibOU6FfXo&feature=em-subs_digest-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EibOU6FfXo&feature=em-subs_digest-g
10-26-2015, 09:44 AM
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10-26-2015, 10:23 AM
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If anybody noticed, the Government all but destroyed general aviation starting in the late1970's with all the rules placed on pilots, and mfg's. Now not even doctors can afford to own and fly say a cessna 182 as they cost about 250K all due to the government b.s.
The same thing can happen here with toy airplanes
The same thing can happen here with toy airplanes
10-26-2015, 12:19 PM
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Government has an interest to protect the public, businesses have plans to make profits and the two will work together to regulate the airspace in their favor at the expense of the hobbyist. They are just waiting for a crisis and most likely already have plans laid out to do it.
10-26-2015, 03:54 PM
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10-26-2015, 04:08 PM
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They (Walmart) are slowly loosing ground to Amazon, little by little. Amazon is already building multiple warehouses and distribution centers in states so that delivery times are shrunk from a week, to two days )Prime), to one day (express delivery), to their latest model...which is 30 minutes. In some cases quicker than a pizza delivery. Their predictive modeling based on thousands of bits of data intelligence is probably far greater than we can imagine. Google, Facebook, and Amazon are the giants of data now, at least on the consumer end.
All of the companies are doing this to satisfy customer demand (not really a need mind you). Walmart is already behind the curve on this, if it's even something they will really consider. But god knows they are big enough to do it. Perhaps the requirements to fly these commercially will be to cumbersome and not cost effective. Based on the prior info from the FAA is sure looks daunting.
All of the companies are doing this to satisfy customer demand (not really a need mind you). Walmart is already behind the curve on this, if it's even something they will really consider. But god knows they are big enough to do it. Perhaps the requirements to fly these commercially will be to cumbersome and not cost effective. Based on the prior info from the FAA is sure looks daunting.
10-26-2015, 04:36 PM
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Registration Quads used for recreation is stupid. It will Not in anyway or form solve the problem. It's akin to Registering Hand Guns ... Those that are law abiding (99.999%) will comply. The problem here is these guys aren't the problem. The .0001% that blatantly/Unknowingly or feel the rules don't apply to them "ARE THE PROBLEM. They are a problem for the public (Flying/Ect) the Industry and our Hobby/Sport as a whole. Let's not so to speak "Through the Baby out with the Bath Water". There has to be an alternative to massive legislation/Registration and a the bureaucratic Quagmire it will create. The Answer is EDUCATION. Not only the Quad (DRONE) pilots but the DOT/FAA/Press/Public. Again for what's worth it's JMHO