Are you ready to register your aircraft?
11-10-2015, 10:43 AM
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If somebody wants to do the research, they can most likely pin down the exact year. But as I was saying, that is when our military started to play with what they labeled as " DRONES ".
In our language we do call them " Radio Control Model Airplanes ". 
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11-10-2015, 11:05 AM
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Hi porcia,
I understand we do not have to register now and that there is nothing in place stating that. I also understand that AMA is optional, as well as following their guidlines. The consequences of such disregard being that you won't have the AMA insurance barring an incident.
I was just curious if they had addressed registering aircraft flown on private property.
I personally have had it with rules, restrictions, guidlines, whatever. I really don't care what they decide. My aircraft are not getting registered. Period. Enough with the gov't overreach/overreacting BS.
I understand we do not have to register now and that there is nothing in place stating that. I also understand that AMA is optional, as well as following their guidlines. The consequences of such disregard being that you won't have the AMA insurance barring an incident.
I was just curious if they had addressed registering aircraft flown on private property.
I personally have had it with rules, restrictions, guidlines, whatever. I really don't care what they decide. My aircraft are not getting registered. Period. Enough with the gov't overreach/overreacting BS.
I also tire of the constant involvement of govt (local,state, federal) in our lives as well. It would be nice to go back to a simpler time I suppose, but technology and big business is not going to let that happen. Complying with whatever new edict is enacted will be a personal choice. Chances are nothing will ever come from not complying for the overwhelming amount of rc pilots.
11-10-2015, 11:07 AM
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I guess you're right, it might be different to lump someone into a group of people rather than calling them a specific name like idiot, but the principle is the same. Hard not to do with many passionate feelings involved, but ultimately it might take away from what might be good information.
11-10-2015, 12:37 PM
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Not at all actually. There is no requirement to register your planes. I've asked the other guy repeatedly to prove this, and rather than answering, he's doubling down and twisting and spinning. Some people will simply not admit when they are wrong. Did you get news that we are required to register planes?
I"m the other guy and you still have not provided any info saying just what is to be registered. No twist . No spin. No doubling down, just a simple link to anything that specifies just what is to be registered. If you had it you'd post it.
Mike
11-10-2015, 01:11 PM
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At this point you just respond for the sake of responding and arguing. One step up from I know you are but what am I. I don't have to provide any specifics, nothing is set in stone yet. That was sort of my whole point in asking you if you are registering your plane. See above red...as of today, NOTHING is to be.
11-10-2015, 01:28 PM
#1157
By what measure? Certainly not fewer drone encounters being reported to FAA. Certainly not reduced threat of additional regulation. So I'm really curious to see what justifies "pretty successful." What metric?
11-10-2015, 01:30 PM
#1158
Amen. AMA chose to ebrace MRs rather than reject them. That clear distinction between hobby, non-hobby, responsible, non-responsible, programming governed and non-programming governed was, at a minimum, blurred. And we know policy makers, the media, and the public don't do well with fine nuances that result from "blurred" distinctions.
11-10-2015, 01:37 PM
#1159
Now, I will say that IF, I repeat IF, you want to be covered by AMA insurance, fly in a sanctioned event, or at a sanctioned field, then you need to follow AMA safety code. But otherwise, only section 336 and FAA regulations govern - not AMA.
SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.
(a) IN GENERAL
.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law
relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if—
(1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;
(2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community- based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
(3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization;
(4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft; and
(5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)).
11-10-2015, 01:38 PM
#1160
Drones can take-off and land just about anywhere, not as easy a task for traditional aircraft. Can't remember where I saw the list of the 25 groups gathering with the FAA to work on the drone issue, do remember that 5 of the groups represented the commercial delivery drone industry, plain to see whose bread was going to get buttered. The AMA and us hobbyists are just an annoyance to be dealt with, registration is just the first step, if you wish to believe that it will be(registration) free and easy, call me, I'm selling a statue of a lady in NY Harbor.
Most Class B airspace extends from the surface to 10,000 feet MSL with a circular diameter of 40 nautical miles.
Pilots must obtain a clearance from air traffic control (ATC) before entering Class B airspace and then maintain radio contact with ATC. Aircraft must be equipped with an altitude-encoding transponder.
Pilots must hold at least a private pilot certificate to enter. Or, a sport, recreational, or student certificate if certain advanced training requirements are met — although many Class B airports prohibit any student pilot solo flights.
Most Class C airspace extends from the surface to 4,000 feet above ground level (agl), with a circular diameter of 20 nautical miles.
An air traffic control (ATC) clearance is not required in Class C airspace, but pilots must be in radio communication with ATC, and aircraft must be equipped with an altitude-encoding transponder.
11-10-2015, 01:40 PM
#1161
At this point you just respond for the sake of responding and arguing. One step up from I know you are but what am I. I don't have to provide any specifics, nothing is set in stone yet. That was sort of my whole point in asking you if you are registering your plane. See above red...as of today, NOTHING is to be.
"The DOT is looking at the full spectrum of sUAS that would be subject to registration, and AMA agrees that registration may be appropriate at some level; however, before the process can be established, AMA believes that a threshold must be identified that will determine which platforms, what aircraft with what capabilities, will require registration and which will not."
11-10-2015, 02:02 PM
#1162
AMA does not govern the NAS. Section 336 of LAW, which does govern NAS, does not mention the AMA. It alludes to an unnamed CBO programming. That need not be the AMA. While the AMA views itself as a CBO, I don't know that the FAA has recognized them as such.
Now, I will say that IF, I repeat IF, you want to be covered by AMA insurance, fly in a sanctioned event, or at a sanctioned field, then you need to follow AMA safety code. But otherwise, only section 336 and FAA regulations govern - not AMA.
Now, I will say that IF, I repeat IF, you want to be covered by AMA insurance, fly in a sanctioned event, or at a sanctioned field, then you need to follow AMA safety code. But otherwise, only section 336 and FAA regulations govern - not AMA.
See the bottom of page 1.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/902.pdf
11-10-2015, 02:02 PM
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At this point you just respond for the sake of responding and arguing. One step up from I know you are but what am I. I don't have to provide any specifics, nothing is set in stone yet. That was sort of my whole point in asking you if you are registering your plane. See above red...as of today, NOTHING is to be.
Mike
11-10-2015, 02:27 PM
#1167
I was specifically referring to the AMA Safety Code. You agree to it when you sign your membership application. It applies irregardless of where you fly.
See the bottom of page 1.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/902.pdf
See the bottom of page 1.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/902.pdf
11-10-2015, 02:32 PM
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This is the point I am trying to make regarding the AMA safety code. I am an AMA member and when at my AMA club field I will abide by and respect the AMA guidelines as well as the club rules. The ONLY time I am not adhering to the AMA safety code, sorry AMA and Crispy, is when I am on Private land flying FPV.
11-10-2015, 02:35 PM
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You guys see the first 4 pages of the Tower Hobbies monthly catalog? Nothing but "drones" all the way to 1500.00 with no mention of any regulations pending or otherwise. Multis and FPV are going nowhere.
11-10-2015, 02:59 PM
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11-10-2015, 03:59 PM
#1171
AMA field? Nope. AMA event? Nope. AMA insurance? Nope. Flying in the NAS not part of former? No impact.
So again, what can the AMA do? Not much. Which was the point of post 1119 just as it was the point of mine.
11-10-2015, 04:19 PM
#1172
Ironic, since the point of post 1119 was that "So, If I am flying in a field, sod farm etc. in the middle of no where, the AMA is irrelevant unless I want to embrace them."
AMA field? Nope. AMA event? Nope. AMA insurance? Nope. Flying in the NAS not part of former? No impact.
So again, what can the AMA do? Not much. Which was the point of post 1119 just as it was the point of mine.
AMA field? Nope. AMA event? Nope. AMA insurance? Nope. Flying in the NAS not part of former? No impact.
So again, what can the AMA do? Not much. Which was the point of post 1119 just as it was the point of mine.
11-10-2015, 04:47 PM
#1173
2. Failure to follow AMA? Burden of proof is on AMA.
3. Most severe action available to AMA regardless: terminate membership
4. Remedy available to terminated individual? Court action to show AMA action was arbitrary or capricious. Would only have to show a handful of youtube posts, video from meets, etc. showing any violations - if AMA did not take similar action against those individuals, creates a problem for AMA.
5. Effect on individual if they don't fly at AMA field, don't fly in AMA event? Not much.