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Old 01-09-2016 | 07:36 AM
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Please sign the following petition to show how you would like Drones/FPV separated from the AMA. I did not start this petition.
https://www.change.org/p/ama-members...iation-and-ama
Old 01-09-2016 | 08:17 AM
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Prior post from petition started was made already.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...on-drones.html
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Total stupidity. To eliminate drones would leave only CL and FF.
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And you don't think there are those who would love to get back to that?
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Originally Posted by porcia83
And you don't think there are those who would love to get back to that?
Oh I might dabble with them as well, but R/C is more hard core.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Oh I might dabble with them as well, but R/C is more hard core.
Isn't it nice that you have the Liberty to dabble with those folks as you see fit?
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Originally Posted by porcia83
Isn't it nice that you have the Liberty to dabble with those folks as you see fit?
I thought the Feds were against the Hard Core? I think we have a case of thread leak here?
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Total stupidity. To eliminate drones would leave only CL and FF.
I guess your idea of a drone is different than mine.
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Originally Posted by ratshooter
I guess your idea of a drone is different than mine.
Per the FAA all radio controlled aircraft. Dictionary definition as well. Dates back to the first radio controlled aircraft which were called target drones. But officially they are all sUAV including RC model airplanes be they MR, helicopters, or planks.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Per the FAA all radio controlled aircraft. Dictionary definition as well. Dates back to the first radio controlled aircraft which were called target drones. But officially they are all sUAV including RC model airplanes be they MR, helicopters, or planks.

Well then I understand why you stated what you stated. But to me the contemporary reference to a "drone" is one of the multi rotor craft. The aircraft that have started all this mess in the first place.

And I think the problem is more with FPV than with an aircraft design. I have watched several youtube vids where regular planes are flown over a mile high after going through a layer of fog. There ain't no way in hell the pilot can see if he is about to encounter a full sized aircraft. If the FAA wants to register something then go after FPV systems and make the owners register and pass a safety test for them.

As much as I am for new pilots I don't think the kids buying multi rotors are as a group ever going to sign up and become AMA members or pilots of conventional fixed wing aircraft. So yes I would like to see the AMA divest themselves of the "drone" crowd. But like others have stated, they won't do it because of all the money from the ads in the magazine.

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Originally Posted by ratshooter
Well then I understand why you stated what you stated. But to me the contemporary reference to a "drone" is one of the multi rotor craft. The aircraft that have started all this mess in the first place.

And I think the problem is more with FPV than with an aircraft design. I have watched several youtube vids where regular planes are flown over a mile high after going through a layer of fog. There ain't no way in hell the pilot can see if he is about to encounter a full sized aircraft. If the FAA wants to register something then go after FPV systems and make the owners register and pass a safety test for them.

As much as I am for new pilots I don't think the kids buying multi rotors are as a group ever going to sign up and become AMA members or pilots of conventional fixed wing aircraft. So yes I would like to see the AMA divest themselves of the "drone" crowd. But like others have stated, they won't do it because of all the money from the ads in the magazine.
Believe it or not that's the way it originally was. To use FPV you were required to have a HAM license. But no one enforced it, especially those selling the FPV equipment. Oh they would say you needed a HAM license but they never checked before sell you their products.
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Well then it sounds like the FCC and the sellers of FPV are to blame at least for part of this. But if the government was so lax about that what makes anyone think they will be any more diligent about an unregistered plane or dro... uh multi rotor?
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Well then it sounds like the FCC and the sellers of FPV are to blame at least for part of this. But if the government was so lax about that what makes anyone think they will be any more diligent about an unregistered plane or dro... uh multi rotor?
The AMA knew that people were violating the law. They were told by many members. The AMA chose to do nothing about it. They had the resources to apply pressure on the manufacturers and sellers. The FAA and the FCC really do not have an enforcement group that can do any more than look at after the fact violations. But the AMA knew. It was talked about often on rec.models.rc.air on the old newsgroups.
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And the first violators were fixed wing pilots who wanted to fly their warbirds as if they were really flying.

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Originally Posted by ratshooter
Well then it sounds like the FCC and the sellers of FPV are to blame at least for part of this. But if the government was so lax about that what makes anyone think they will be any more diligent about an unregistered plane or dro... uh multi rotor?
How about the only people to blame are the pilots? Nobody else...just them.
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Originally Posted by rgburrill
The AMA knew that people were violating the law. They were told by many members. The AMA chose to do nothing about it. They had the resources to apply pressure on the manufacturers and sellers. The FAA and the FCC really do not have an enforcement group that can do any more than look at after the fact violations. But the AMA knew. It was talked about often on rec.models.rc.air on the old newsgroups.
Right, and Ford has been made aware that some operators of their 400 horse power Mustangs may be exceeding the limits too. Guess what, it's not Ford's fault, it's the drivers fault. AMA has exactly the same amount of resources to stop the pilots as Ford does to stop speeders. 0
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How about the only people to blame are the pilots? Nobody else...just them.
And of course you are correct. And once again it is too little too late. And the majority who have done nothing wrong pay for the irresponsibility of a few. Some things never change. But I still vote for the AMA to separate themselves from multi-rotors. ( I will never call them drones ever again.)
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Originally Posted by ratshooter
And of course you are correct. And once again it is too little too late. And the majority who have done nothing wrong pay for the irresponsibility of a few. Some things never change. But I still vote for the AMA to separate themselves from multi-rotors. ( I will never call them drones ever again.)
Do you want to clarify that a bit...multi-rotors shouldn't be part of the AMA? Helis are multi-rotors, and so are these hand-built and flown by line of site units:


Or better yet these creations, all 3 of which are considered multi-rotors. Oh, they were built by a guy who has been in the hobby over 30 years, and is obviously a craftsman. Why again should the AMA distance themselves from a guy like this?

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