Frank Tiano for AMA President
08-03-2016, 06:55 PM
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Guess our standards for who we want running the AMA are different, not unexpected. I'm all for context, in the right context, here it's not really relevant, appears to be to try to justify what was said, explain the behavior away. The comments themselves are horrid, and why he said what he did shouldn't matter. If he said it he said it. Hard to consider what a reasonable excuse would be to justify this behavior, but it's clear some folks would look past anything, ends justifies the means and all..( a general statement,not one directed at you).
08-04-2016, 02:55 AM
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08-04-2016, 03:49 AM
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Just thinking outside the box here.
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08-04-2016, 05:22 AM
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With a situation where you have 4 more than qualified candidates for the same position and the By Laws say you can only have 3 on the ballot and those making the decision on who are it are voting for themselves maybe a bit of outside input would be a good idea. In this case involving the AMA Leader Members.
Just thinking outside the box here.
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Just thinking outside the box here.
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08-04-2016, 06:08 AM
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When? See mongo's last post above. The EC operates under standing rules purely of their own creation and untainted by vote of leader members.
08-04-2016, 06:14 AM
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Why put themselves in this position and because they can isn't a explanation.
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08-04-2016, 06:25 AM
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Yep. LM's can submit changes to the By-Laws to be voted on but I'm not sure they can vote on said change. While EC members can vote for themselves to be put on the ballot it does look rather "fishy" ( for lack of a better word) when a qualified "outsider" is left off, does it not?
Why put themselves in this position and because they can isn't a explanation.
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Why put themselves in this position and because they can isn't a explanation.
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08-04-2016, 06:47 AM
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Yes, the AMA Bylaws dictate that only 3 candidates can be on the ballet. An elections committee is then to determine which candidate get to be on the ballet.
08-04-2016, 06:50 AM
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Just as a point or two of clarification. I've already noted I would think someone being involved in this hobby from a retail/business perspective would be fine, and in fact may prove helpful in dealing with some of the issues that might come up in the future. Perhaps they can leverage their actual real life experiences and find a way to have that benefit the AMA and it's members, come up with new marketing initiatives (like the one now where a shop gets a fee for signing new members up). I don't know what Larry or Eric do for a living, but I wouldn't automatically discount a vote for them if they were connected to the industry. And Rich was/is already on the AMA payroll. Real life experience is absolutely helpful. BUT...what little I've seen from Tiano so far would seem to indicate he's looking to make changes that benefit his businesses, and other ones similar to HIM. Specific rule changes for giant scale aircraft, additional benefits (more insurance and primary) by way of insurance to promoters and vendors, of which he is both. Sorry, I have a huge issue with that. Others may disagree and that's fine, but that's my read on it so far. If Tiano would provide some more inforamtion or context instead of letting proxies leak out little bits of information here and there, perhaps that would change. From a purely marketing/promotional effort, I'm not impressed so far. Second hand information, and/or a need to have access to his personal FB page (not the ones supporters have started up) doesn't seem like the way to get your platform out there.
08-04-2016, 06:53 AM
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Yep. LM's can submit changes to the By-Laws to be voted on but I'm not sure they can vote on said change. While EC members can vote for themselves to be put on the ballot it does look rather "fishy" ( for lack of a better word) when a qualified "outsider" is left off, does it not?
Why put themselves in this position and because they can isn't a explanation.
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Why put themselves in this position and because they can isn't a explanation.
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08-04-2016, 06:56 AM
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Yep. LM's can submit changes to the By-Laws to be voted on but I'm not sure they can vote on said change. While EC members can vote for themselves to be put on the ballot it does look rather "fishy" ( for lack of a better word) when a qualified "outsider" is left off, does it not?
Why put themselves in this position and because they can isn't a explanation.
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Why put themselves in this position and because they can isn't a explanation.
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08-04-2016, 06:58 AM
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08-04-2016, 07:24 AM
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"Robert's Rules of Order". Below is from Chapter 12 of the book:
The Nominating Committee's Role
The duty of a nominating committee is to find the best candidate for each office. The bylaws should not tie the hands of the committee to find more than one person to fill each slot; the committee should find the best candidate for each office. Persons serving on the committee can be nominated for office.
The secretary should give the committee a copy of the membership list, the bylaws, a description of the duties of each office, and the eligibility requirements. The committee must carefully review the eligibility requirements for each office and see that the nominees meet these requirements. If anyone is elected, and it is discovered after the election that the person is not eligible, the election of that officer is null and void. The committee then has to find a new nominee, and the members have to vote again.
The duty of a nominating committee is to find the best candidate for each office. The bylaws should not tie the hands of the committee to find more than one person to fill each slot; the committee should find the best candidate for each office. Persons serving on the committee can be nominated for office.
The secretary should give the committee a copy of the membership list, the bylaws, a description of the duties of each office, and the eligibility requirements. The committee must carefully review the eligibility requirements for each office and see that the nominees meet these requirements. If anyone is elected, and it is discovered after the election that the person is not eligible, the election of that officer is null and void. The committee then has to find a new nominee, and the members have to vote again.
08-04-2016, 07:30 AM
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OK that's the way it is now. With that said I suggest that they look at the 3 on the ballot rule and put it out for a vote. maybe it's time for a update there. Seems like we don't have a problem finding qualified individuals to run for office do we?
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08-04-2016, 07:34 AM
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08-04-2016, 10:50 AM
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CJ is correct here that context would help . To post such a response as a "first strike" would be a far different (and more character damaging) thing than posting it after several terse communications had been sent back & forth . For all I know he could have been being badgered for weeks , or he could have just "gone off" without provocation but without the all important context it is impossible to judge . Now , let's pretend and say he had been being badgered for some time and finally had had enough , well let me ask , no matter how saintly folks try to act here to stay within the RCU rules , can anyone here show me one person who has not responded with an angry post of their own when they felt they had been sufficiently provoked ? And before you say it , call this a preemptive strike , yes sir Porcia , you too most certainly have posted in anger here yourself . We ALL have . Does that automatically make YOU (and every one of us) unfit for AMA office ?
Another good point of checks & balances and the need to occasionally review "Da Rulz" for possible areas that could use updating or a bit of fine tuning as the years pass . Today's situation is far different than when the rules were first written and there have been many successful modifications to the rules along the way , like for instance the change in the rules just recently where the #550 FPV guys got a gift in the form of not having to be the secondary pilot on a buddy box with the LOS (non goggle wearing) pilot as primary . My personal belief is that the "original #550" was fine in itself and provided the required level of safety but enough at the AMA felt change was needed and lo and behold the change was made . I think if we can , in my opinion , relax a safety related rule such as we did with #550 , it really shouldn't be much of a stretch to modify the "and the number of the counting shall be three" edict if enough fellow members want it to be so .
Thank You CJ , you brought up two very interesting points here ......
Another good point of checks & balances and the need to occasionally review "Da Rulz" for possible areas that could use updating or a bit of fine tuning as the years pass . Today's situation is far different than when the rules were first written and there have been many successful modifications to the rules along the way , like for instance the change in the rules just recently where the #550 FPV guys got a gift in the form of not having to be the secondary pilot on a buddy box with the LOS (non goggle wearing) pilot as primary . My personal belief is that the "original #550" was fine in itself and provided the required level of safety but enough at the AMA felt change was needed and lo and behold the change was made . I think if we can , in my opinion , relax a safety related rule such as we did with #550 , it really shouldn't be much of a stretch to modify the "and the number of the counting shall be three" edict if enough fellow members want it to be so .
Thank You CJ , you brought up two very interesting points here ......
People are certainly prone to making mistakes nobody is perfect I don't care how he was taunted or provoked his response is completely unacceptable as is any attempts to make apologies on his behalf or explain that type of behavior. He is running for an office that represents every modeller and to call somebody names make veiled threats and then use the horribly insensitive words that he did to describe somebody are completely and unilaterally unacceptable it's equally as shameful for anyone to try to make an excuse for it.
08-04-2016, 10:52 AM
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Interesting way to respond and make it personal about me and/or my posts here. I knew someone would go there...lol. but ya, no. Irrelevant as I'm not the one running for office.
People are certainly prone to making mistakes nobody is perfect I don't care how he was taunted or provoked his response is completely unacceptable as is any attempts to make apologies on his behalf or explain that type of behavior. He is running for an office that represents every modeller and to call somebody names make veiled threats and then use the horribly insensitive words that he did to describe somebody are completely and unilaterally unacceptable it's equally as shameful for anyone to try to make an excuse for it.
People are certainly prone to making mistakes nobody is perfect I don't care how he was taunted or provoked his response is completely unacceptable as is any attempts to make apologies on his behalf or explain that type of behavior. He is running for an office that represents every modeller and to call somebody names make veiled threats and then use the horribly insensitive words that he did to describe somebody are completely and unilaterally unacceptable it's equally as shameful for anyone to try to make an excuse for it.
The crackpot sent Emails to Frank calling him a fat drunken (insert word of your choice for a feminine hygiene apparatus) and I suppose Frank should have invited him over for high tea.