View Poll Results: Should folks on the EC Nominating Committee be able to self nominate
Yes they should be allowed to Self Nominate
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No they should not be allowed to Self Nominate
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52.63%
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The Self Nominating Candidate for AMA President , Good idea or bad idea ?
08-05-2016, 10:58 AM
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[h=3]Text Changes[/h]
- -It has been brought to my attention by a member who knows the process better than I do that my original poll question was so badly worded it asked a question of a situation that really couldn't exist . This member , TimJ , has been kind enough to properly rewrite the question to accurately represent the situation I was polling about . The new wording of the question is ;
"Should folks on the AMA nominating committee be able to nominate other committee members for elected office , YES or NO"
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08-05-2016, 11:08 AM
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Lets clarify whats going on.
A candidate must be independently nominated for a position, and accept that nomination. They cannot nominate themselves for an elected position. If more than 3 candidates are put forth that qualify for a given position, then a nominations committee comprising the District VP's and the EVP (total of 12 people) narrow that to three in accordance with the bylaws and standing rules. Also, there's nothing in the rules as they exist right now that prevent EC members that are nominated from being in that meeting.
Also, as we know, there's nothing preventing someone from running a write-in campaign.
A candidate must be independently nominated for a position, and accept that nomination. They cannot nominate themselves for an elected position. If more than 3 candidates are put forth that qualify for a given position, then a nominations committee comprising the District VP's and the EVP (total of 12 people) narrow that to three in accordance with the bylaws and standing rules. Also, there's nothing in the rules as they exist right now that prevent EC members that are nominated from being in that meeting.
Also, as we know, there's nothing preventing someone from running a write-in campaign.
08-05-2016, 11:10 AM
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Lets clarify whats going on.
A candidate must be independently nominated for a position, and accept that nomination. They cannot nominate themselves for an elected position. If more than 3 candidates are put forth that qualify for a given position, then a nominations committee comprising the District VP's and the EVP (total of 12 people) narrow that to three in accordance with the bylaws and standing rules. Also, there's nothing in the rules as they exist right now that prevent EC members that are nominated from being in that meeting.
Also, as we know, there's nothing preventing someone from running a write-in campaign.
A candidate must be independently nominated for a position, and accept that nomination. They cannot nominate themselves for an elected position. If more than 3 candidates are put forth that qualify for a given position, then a nominations committee comprising the District VP's and the EVP (total of 12 people) narrow that to three in accordance with the bylaws and standing rules. Also, there's nothing in the rules as they exist right now that prevent EC members that are nominated from being in that meeting.
Also, as we know, there's nothing preventing someone from running a write-in campaign.
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08-05-2016, 11:26 AM
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With a situation where you have 4 more than qualified candidates for the same position and the By Laws say you can only have 3 on the ballot and those making the decision on who are it are voting for themselves maybe a bit of outside input would be a good idea. In this case involving the AMA Leader Members.
Just thinking outside the box here.
Mike
Just thinking outside the box here.
Mike
Yep. LM's can submit changes to the By-Laws to be voted on but I'm not sure they can vote on said change. While EC members can vote for themselves to be put on the ballot it does look rather "fishy" ( for lack of a better word) when a qualified "outsider" is left off, does it not?
Why put themselves in this position and because they can isn't a explanation.
Mike
Why put themselves in this position and because they can isn't a explanation.
Mike
I believe these posts I quoted will give you all the idea of the basis of this thread . Now , If what I'm reading here is wrong , GREAT ! Explain how it is that I'm mistaken in taking these posts to mean that a candidate can self nominate ?
And hold off on the headbanging a bit there Tim , both computer screens & Doctors are kinda pricey these days ....
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08-05-2016, 12:55 PM
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Right, a better idea is to let everyone operate according to their own internal "code", ie what they believe is right. It wouldn't cause chaos at all. A fantastic way to run an organization, as long as everyone in that group agreed with the leader. Perfect!
08-05-2016, 01:07 PM
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Lets clarify whats going on.
A candidate must be independently nominated for a position, and accept that nomination. They cannot nominate themselves for an elected position. If more than 3 candidates are put forth that qualify for a given position, then a nominations committee comprising the District VP's and the EVP (total of 12 people) narrow that to three in accordance with the bylaws and standing rules. Also, there's nothing in the rules as they exist right now that prevent EC members that are nominated from being in that meeting.
Also, as we know, there's nothing preventing someone from running a write-in campaign.
A candidate must be independently nominated for a position, and accept that nomination. They cannot nominate themselves for an elected position. If more than 3 candidates are put forth that qualify for a given position, then a nominations committee comprising the District VP's and the EVP (total of 12 people) narrow that to three in accordance with the bylaws and standing rules. Also, there's nothing in the rules as they exist right now that prevent EC members that are nominated from being in that meeting.
Also, as we know, there's nothing preventing someone from running a write-in campaign.
You are a voice of calm and reason and facts in a sea of misunderstanding.
And no Init, this isn't a go at you in any way, just a general statement.
08-05-2016, 01:21 PM
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No headbanging required here Tim , unless your listening to Metallica or Twisted Sister as you type ?
I believe these posts I quoted will give you all the idea of the basis of this thread . Now , If what I'm reading here is wrong , GREAT ! Explain how it is that I'm mistaken in taking these posts to mean that a candidate can self nominate ?
And hold off on the headbanging a bit there Tim , both computer screens & Doctors are kinda pricey these days ....
I believe these posts I quoted will give you all the idea of the basis of this thread . Now , If what I'm reading here is wrong , GREAT ! Explain how it is that I'm mistaken in taking these posts to mean that a candidate can self nominate ?
And hold off on the headbanging a bit there Tim , both computer screens & Doctors are kinda pricey these days ....
In my opinion the text as written is insinuating that a member of the committee can nominate him/her self. That is not the case. A member of the committee can nominate another member of the committee, but can not self nominate.
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08-05-2016, 01:42 PM
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Man polls are tought around there parts!!!
08-05-2016, 02:06 PM
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DVPx says to DVPy, "if you nominate me, I'll nominate you."
What material distinction between that scenario and "self nominate" am I missing?
08-05-2016, 02:15 PM
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Anyone know when the last time we had more than 3 qualified candidates ( number permitted by the By-Laws) wanting to be put on the ballot? I don't. Since this has happened this election maybe the By-Laws need to be looked at to add that extra person if they meet the qualifications. Nothing wrong with giving the membership a larger selection.
Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
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08-05-2016, 02:41 PM
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Anyone know when the last time we had more than 3 qualified candidates ( number permitted by the By-Laws) wanting to be put on the ballot? I don't. Since this has happened this election maybe the By-Laws need to be looked at to add that extra person if they meet the qualifications. Nothing wrong with giving the membership a larger selection.
Just a thought.
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Just a thought.
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There is no rule (I may be corrected on that, stay tuned....) to preclude the entire nomination committee from nominating each other, and then all twelve decide among themselves who is selected as to fill the ballot quota. That would of course completely nullify the rule pertaining to self nomination with no need to amend the by-laws.
08-05-2016, 02:53 PM
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"Section 2. An AMA Nomination Review Committee composed of all District Vice Presidents "
We had 4 qualified candidates and only 3 could be put on the ballot.
The EC members decided on who was placed on the ballot correct?
Mike
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08-05-2016, 04:17 PM
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Sorry but I don't see the humor in this at all.
"Section 2. An AMA Nomination Review Committee composed of all District Vice Presidents "
We had 4 qualified candidates and only 3 could be put on the ballot.
The EC members decided on who was placed on the ballot correct?
Mike
"Section 2. An AMA Nomination Review Committee composed of all District Vice Presidents "
We had 4 qualified candidates and only 3 could be put on the ballot.
The EC members decided on who was placed on the ballot correct?
Mike
Once again, you are assuming Tiano wasn't found to be qualified, please show me where that's been documented. The fact is that 3 more qualified or more better suited candidates for the position were selected. The sour grapes that have come from this is getting embarrassing.
Being a Leader Member now you should have a direct connection to Harville, what's he say about the whole matter?
08-08-2016, 07:50 AM
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Sorry but I don't see the humor in this at all.
"Section 2. An AMA Nomination Review Committee composed of all District Vice Presidents "
We had 4 qualified candidates and only 3 could be put on the ballot.
The EC members decided on who was placed on the ballot correct?
Mike
"Section 2. An AMA Nomination Review Committee composed of all District Vice Presidents "
We had 4 qualified candidates and only 3 could be put on the ballot.
The EC members decided on who was placed on the ballot correct?
Mike
Didn't he run on a platform of change? So far....no change!!
08-08-2016, 11:41 AM
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Lets clarify whats going on.
A candidate must be independently nominated for a position, and accept that nomination. They cannot nominate themselves for an elected position. If more than 3 candidates are put forth that qualify for a given position, then a nominations committee comprising the District VP's and the EVP (total of 12 people) narrow that to three in accordance with the bylaws and standing rules. Also, there's nothing in the rules as they exist right now that prevent EC members that are nominated from being in that meeting.
Also, as we know, there's nothing preventing someone from running a write-in campaign.
A candidate must be independently nominated for a position, and accept that nomination. They cannot nominate themselves for an elected position. If more than 3 candidates are put forth that qualify for a given position, then a nominations committee comprising the District VP's and the EVP (total of 12 people) narrow that to three in accordance with the bylaws and standing rules. Also, there's nothing in the rules as they exist right now that prevent EC members that are nominated from being in that meeting.
Also, as we know, there's nothing preventing someone from running a write-in campaign.
I don't think that is the case. Am I wrong? The committee still approves anyone before they go on the ballot.
And in that balloting (nominating) process you could vote on yourself, or vote out someone that might run against you. Is that right?
08-09-2016, 01:05 PM
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Sorry but I don't see the humor in this at all.
"Section 2. An AMA Nomination Review Committee composed of all District Vice Presidents "
We had 4 qualified candidates and only 3 could be put on the ballot.
The EC members decided on who was placed on the ballot correct?
Mike
"Section 2. An AMA Nomination Review Committee composed of all District Vice Presidents "
We had 4 qualified candidates and only 3 could be put on the ballot.
The EC members decided on who was placed on the ballot correct?
Mike
08-09-2016, 02:14 PM
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Again, you guys are making it sound like the only reason the AMA EC got involved was there were 4 nominations, instead of 3.
This nominating committee has to approve anyone going on that ballot. And yes, someone running for AMA president can vote to disqualify another nominated person from getting on the ballot.
I could be wrong but I don't see where I am.
This nominating committee has to approve anyone going on that ballot. And yes, someone running for AMA president can vote to disqualify another nominated person from getting on the ballot.
I could be wrong but I don't see where I am.
08-09-2016, 02:26 PM
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