THREE different CBOs per FAA!
#1
Thread Starter

The FAA has recognized THREE different CBOs as of 14 December. There is now officially competition in the market for the limited pool of recreational flyers. What's great is that if you want the 1970's IBM of the hobby world, you have AMA. If you want the SpaceX of the Hobby World, you have Flite Test. If you want focus on FPV, then you have the FPV Freedom Coalition. It'll be interesting to watch as "the market", aka all of us, gravitates toward the one that is more focused on meeting the needs of its constituents.
https://www.faa.gov/uas/recreational...-organizations

https://www.faa.gov/uas/recreational...-organizations

#2
Senior Member
The FAA has recognized THREE different CBOs as of 14 December. There is now officially competition in the market for the limited pool of recreational flyers. What's great is that if you want the 1970's IBM of the hobby world, you have AMA. If you want the SpaceX of the Hobby World, you have Flite Test. If you want focus on FPV, then you have the FPV Freedom Coalition. It'll be interesting to watch as "the market", aka all of us, gravitates toward the one that is more focused on meeting the needs of its constituents.
https://www.faa.gov/uas/recreational...-organizations

https://www.faa.gov/uas/recreational...-organizations

#3
Hurray for Flight Test. FPVFC however, give me a break. They are an illegal FPV advocate. An insight into how FPVFC may have come into FAA's good graces, president and CEO Dave Messina boasted about using (wasting) FPVFC donations to help the FAA implement gender neutral pronouns throughout the agency.
#4
Senior Member
As most know I am generally opposed to FPV (well, that's an understatement). However, I went to the FPVFC website and looked around a bit. They meet all the FAA requirements for being a CBO - I wouldn't call them illegal. Ill advised to promote this stuff but no illegal.
#5
who honestly believes the FAA is actually going to go around policing? it's like the ham radio laws the FCC could care less. people are reported for violations all the time and nothing ever happens to them. the FAA isn't going to hire patrol cops to go around looking for someone flying a hobby RC plane/drone etc. it's a money grab and a pile of BS so they can say they're doing something. and if you read some of the wording, they slipped in wording about physical fitness and eyesight. the next thing you know they'll be telling people they're too fat and at high risk of heart attacks so they can't fly a rc plane. or their vision must be 20/20 without glasses.
then they'll tell everyone who can't afford a tesla to take the bus. then they'll make public transportation a law and ban cars. they'll never stop removing more of our freedoms until we have none.
the only way to stop this madness is to simply not comply.
then they'll tell everyone who can't afford a tesla to take the bus. then they'll make public transportation a law and ban cars. they'll never stop removing more of our freedoms until we have none.
the only way to stop this madness is to simply not comply.
Last edited by RCoffroadracer; 12-17-2022 at 08:36 PM.
#6

The wrong way to fight any issue with the law is to end up on the loud end of the law's guns (both figuratively and literally, of course figuratively in this case)
The better way is to get enough people together who all believe as you do and work for the change you desire. I know it sounds corny, like an impossible mission, but hey, stranger things have happened, look at what happened with Pot (Weed, Reefer, or whatever else one may call Marijuana) in many States here in the USA. A bunch of years ago when I visited Amsterdam I remember thinking "There is no way in Hell Pot is ever gonna be legal like it is here, back in lovely Taxachusetts USA" , , , it'll NEVER happen. And yet here we are, a bunch of years later with recreational Pot being just as legal as booze for anyone over 21, and state sanctioned Pot shops are popping up like weeds all over the place .
Lastly, I absolutely agree with you that there won't be an "FAA RC cop" hiding behind every tree, just waiting to pounce because I know that's simply not how the FAA operates. What they've done is established that in order to fly RC legally, you've gotta do the registration/ TRUST thing, which is basically them having you agree in writing to their rules in a form that can be used if needed to prove you knowingly broke one rule or other resulting in them being forced to take action against you. Naturally there will be no action unless someone or someones gets badly injured or killed, or unless someone makes that much of a nuisance of themselves to force the FAA's hand.
Last edited by init4fun; 12-18-2022 at 10:09 AM. Reason: damn typos ;)
#7

My Feedback: (1)
who honestly believes the FAA is actually going to go around policing? it's like the ham radio laws the FCC could care less. people are reported for violations all the time and nothing ever happens to them. the FAA isn't going to hire patrol cops to go around looking for someone flying a hobby RC plane/drone etc. it's a money grab and a pile of BS so they can say they're doing something. and if you read some of the wording, they slipped in wording about physical fitness and eyesight. the next thing you know they'll be telling people they're too fat and at high risk of heart attacks so they can't fly a rc plane. or their vision must be 20/20 without glasses.
then they'll tell everyone who can't afford a tesla to take the bus. then they'll make public transportation a law and ban cars. they'll never stop removing more of our freedoms until we have none.
the only way to stop this madness is to simply not comply.
then they'll tell everyone who can't afford a tesla to take the bus. then they'll make public transportation a law and ban cars. they'll never stop removing more of our freedoms until we have none.
the only way to stop this madness is to simply not comply.
With that being said, I think you need to understand the difference between freedom and privilege.
Astro
#8
Thread Starter

Lastly, I absolutely agree with you that there won't be an "FAA RC cop" hiding behind every tree, just waiting to pounce because I know that's simply not how the FAA operates. What they've done is established that in order to fly RC legally, you've gotta do the registration/ TRUST thing, which is basically them having you agree in writing to their rules in a form that can be used if needed to prove you knowingly broke one rule or other resulting in them being forced to take action against you. Naturally there will be no action unless someone or someones gets badly injured or killed, or unless someone makes that much of a nuisance of themselves to force the FAA's hand.
Meanwhile, on the other site, the group is rationalizing a shared use place with regular overflight of occupied equestrian / walking trails. Never mind that in order to enjoy the exception from 107 one must comply with a CBO safety code. And yet the operation as described is is an explicit violation of at least two points in AMA safety code: (1) Avoid overflight of people etc., and (2) nobody but participants beyond a safety line (no "bystanders"). And yet the echo chamber of AMA acolytes overthrew is busy telling the individual this won't be a problem.
Nobody challenging their thinking, just circular back slapping about how good they are ...
#9
One thing no one has mentioned yet is that the FAA can pull a CBO status just as fast as they gave it. All it would take is a few complaints to start an investigation into how the AMA is enforcing the safety code to have that CBO status revoked. We all know that the FAA is limited on funds and agents but, with that said, the FAA is the organization holding the cards.
I was watching a You-tube video a while back and the guy that posts on that particular channel went into detail about a bad landing that damaged his ego along with the prop, engine and nose gear of the Piper 235 he was flying. Like the good low hour pilot, he had reported the incident to the FAA, only to get told he was flying illegally. Apparently, the plane had some overdue maintenance that hadn't been done and, when the FAA did some checking of the logbooks, they found the requirements to make the plane airworthy were not met. The required maintenance is being done at the same time the plane is being repaired to make it legal to fly. As far as the pilot, he is being sent to remedial training on how to keep up on what is required to maintain the airworthiness of the aircraft and getting the work done into the logbook. HE felt that the FAA had been easy on him since they could have suspended or revoked his license. Worst part of the whole thing was the bad landing was caused by a sharpened metal pin that pierced and flattened the left main gear tire during the landing. You can see the damaged Piper, along with the disassembly that starts the reparing process here:
You can see the pilot talking about his latest encounter with the FAA over the damaged Piper at the 29:20 point of this video:
I was watching a You-tube video a while back and the guy that posts on that particular channel went into detail about a bad landing that damaged his ego along with the prop, engine and nose gear of the Piper 235 he was flying. Like the good low hour pilot, he had reported the incident to the FAA, only to get told he was flying illegally. Apparently, the plane had some overdue maintenance that hadn't been done and, when the FAA did some checking of the logbooks, they found the requirements to make the plane airworthy were not met. The required maintenance is being done at the same time the plane is being repaired to make it legal to fly. As far as the pilot, he is being sent to remedial training on how to keep up on what is required to maintain the airworthiness of the aircraft and getting the work done into the logbook. HE felt that the FAA had been easy on him since they could have suspended or revoked his license. Worst part of the whole thing was the bad landing was caused by a sharpened metal pin that pierced and flattened the left main gear tire during the landing. You can see the damaged Piper, along with the disassembly that starts the reparing process here:
Last edited by Hydro Junkie; 12-18-2022 at 03:30 PM.




