The end is near, so lets motivate people.
10-19-2003, 03:21 PM
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The end is near, so lets motivate people.
District VIII has the ONLY contested race this year.
The majority of the votes have been cast, but there are still some out there where folks put in on the pile because they did not know what to do. Some are folks who are not happy with the status quo, some are folks who do not like either of the prior office holders and don't know Mike Moss. I am sure that most are not aware of how hotly contested this race has been.
Those are the folks we need to motivate to take action. They can pick one of the "official" candidates or cast a write in vote. Only YOU can get them to take action. Please talk to all your flying buddies and insure that they have taken some action. Feel free to share all of your knowledge with them.
Please make that a project for this week.
The majority of the votes have been cast, but there are still some out there where folks put in on the pile because they did not know what to do. Some are folks who are not happy with the status quo, some are folks who do not like either of the prior office holders and don't know Mike Moss. I am sure that most are not aware of how hotly contested this race has been.
Those are the folks we need to motivate to take action. They can pick one of the "official" candidates or cast a write in vote. Only YOU can get them to take action. Please talk to all your flying buddies and insure that they have taken some action. Feel free to share all of your knowledge with them.
Please make that a project for this week.
10-19-2003, 09:15 PM
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RE: The end is near, so lets motivate people.
Jim B.
to my knowledge...
Regardless of your intentions.
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to my knowledge...
Regardless of your intentions.
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10-19-2003, 09:19 PM
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RE: The end is near, so lets motivate people.
Jim
If you are going to win, and not just make it a race, your supporters are going to have to "hit the ground" and influence their best friend.. or their friends... or everyone in their club and those they fly with. No matter how big or small a group supports you online, it is the "real life" members that will determine who the D8 VP will be.
Time is short.
JR
If you are going to win, and not just make it a race, your supporters are going to have to "hit the ground" and influence their best friend.. or their friends... or everyone in their club and those they fly with. No matter how big or small a group supports you online, it is the "real life" members that will determine who the D8 VP will be.
Time is short.
JR
10-19-2003, 09:27 PM
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RE: The end is near, so lets motivate people.
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Jim B.
<SNIP>IMO, you will be causing more harm than good. Regardless of your intentions.
Jim B.
<SNIP>IMO, you will be causing more harm than good. Regardless of your intentions.
To put this bluntly, what difference doe it make? The three offical candidates are so onerous, in my opinion, that it makes no difference which one of them might win.
10-20-2003, 10:15 AM
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RE: The end is near, so lets motivate people.
1. There is precedent that write-in candidates are acceptable, as shown by seating a write-in winner previously.
2. The spot on each ballot for a write in candidate clearly offers this option.
3. There is no By-Law or Standing Rule that states that the candidates that the Nominating Committee select are the exclusive candidates who may be elected.
4. The AMA By-Laws, in Article IX, Section 4 state that Leader and Open members of the District have the power to both nominate and elect a candidate. There is no wording that the actions of the Nominating Committee are exclusionary. The By-Laws do not state when the members must nominate. The case is made that they nominate when they cast a write-in vote.
5. The By-Laws give the EXCLUSIVE power of nomination to Leader and Open members.
6. The Standing Rules may not take precedence over the By-Laws.
7. The By-Laws could be construed as ambiguous.
If attorneys are called upon, I would bet on the precedent of seating a write-in winner being upheld.
The AMA By-Laws state:
Article IX
Section 4. The President, Executive Vice President and Vice Presidents
shall be elected by mail ballot of Leader and Open members. A plurality
vote shall elect. District Vice President candidates shall be nominated
exclusively by Leader or Open members who, at the time of such
nomination, are bona fide legal residents of the same District as that of
which the nominee is also a bona fide legal resident; a nominee,
however, can only be nominated for the Vice Presidency of the District
in which he or she is a bona fide legal resident. District Vice Presidents
shall be elected exclusively by a plurality of those Leader and Open
members voting, who, at the time of such election, are bona fide legal
residents of the same District as that of which the candidates for such
office are also bona fide legal residents. All other elective officers shall
be nominated by Leader or Open members, without regard to residential
considerations.
2. The spot on each ballot for a write in candidate clearly offers this option.
3. There is no By-Law or Standing Rule that states that the candidates that the Nominating Committee select are the exclusive candidates who may be elected.
4. The AMA By-Laws, in Article IX, Section 4 state that Leader and Open members of the District have the power to both nominate and elect a candidate. There is no wording that the actions of the Nominating Committee are exclusionary. The By-Laws do not state when the members must nominate. The case is made that they nominate when they cast a write-in vote.
5. The By-Laws give the EXCLUSIVE power of nomination to Leader and Open members.
6. The Standing Rules may not take precedence over the By-Laws.
7. The By-Laws could be construed as ambiguous.
If attorneys are called upon, I would bet on the precedent of seating a write-in winner being upheld.
The AMA By-Laws state:
Article IX
Section 4. The President, Executive Vice President and Vice Presidents
shall be elected by mail ballot of Leader and Open members. A plurality
vote shall elect. District Vice President candidates shall be nominated
exclusively by Leader or Open members who, at the time of such
nomination, are bona fide legal residents of the same District as that of
which the nominee is also a bona fide legal resident; a nominee,
however, can only be nominated for the Vice Presidency of the District
in which he or she is a bona fide legal resident. District Vice Presidents
shall be elected exclusively by a plurality of those Leader and Open
members voting, who, at the time of such election, are bona fide legal
residents of the same District as that of which the candidates for such
office are also bona fide legal residents. All other elective officers shall
be nominated by Leader or Open members, without regard to residential
considerations.
10-20-2003, 10:30 AM
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RE: The end is near, so lets motivate people.
To see why the By-Laws are ambigious, examine Article IX, Section 1.
The nominating power appears to be vested in the Nominating Committee in this Section.
Since the Standing Rules give no actual power to create a nomination by the Nominating Committee, I would submit that Section 4 is the correct Section to apply.
Article IX
Section 1. AMA officers shall be nominated by a Nominating
Committee composed of the District Vice Presidents (or an Open
member from the district of the absent Vice President as designated by
the absent Vice President), and the Executive Vice President (or an Open
member as designated by the absent Executive Vice President). The
Nominating Committee shall operate annually and under procedures
defined in the Standing Rules attached to these Bylaws. The Nominating
Committee shall be responsible for nominating the candidates for each
office to be vacated at the end of the year.
The nominating power appears to be vested in the Nominating Committee in this Section.
Since the Standing Rules give no actual power to create a nomination by the Nominating Committee, I would submit that Section 4 is the correct Section to apply.
Article IX
Section 1. AMA officers shall be nominated by a Nominating
Committee composed of the District Vice Presidents (or an Open
member from the district of the absent Vice President as designated by
the absent Vice President), and the Executive Vice President (or an Open
member as designated by the absent Executive Vice President). The
Nominating Committee shall operate annually and under procedures
defined in the Standing Rules attached to these Bylaws. The Nominating
Committee shall be responsible for nominating the candidates for each
office to be vacated at the end of the year.
10-20-2003, 11:47 AM
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RE: The end is near, so lets motivate people.
The last part of my argument is that the By-Laws and Articles of Incorporation may not be set aside by the Standing Rules, as stated in Article XI, Section 5 of the By-Laws. The word EXCLUSIVEY in Article IX, Section 4 would seem to be irrefutable evidence that both the creation of nomination and voting are the sole providence of the Leader and Open Members. As a result, with reference to write-in candidates, the Standing Rules are moot.
Article XI
Section 5. Decisions of policy shall not be at variance with the stated
purposes and objectives of the Bylaws or the Articles of Incorporation of
the AMA.
Article XI
Section 5. Decisions of policy shall not be at variance with the stated
purposes and objectives of the Bylaws or the Articles of Incorporation of
the AMA.
10-20-2003, 04:26 PM
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Than you Dennis!
I think it will be a lot closer than some have ever dreamed of, but I could be wrong. The name of at least one contestant for the next election cycle is well know.
The word on the ground is that folks are bent about what two of the candidates did and how the Nominating Committee was forced to deal with that issue. Within the rules does not mean RIGHT is the direct quote. Then folks ask WHO is this other guy? Then they ask me for materials.
I think it will be a lot closer than some have ever dreamed of, but I could be wrong. The name of at least one contestant for the next election cycle is well know.
The word on the ground is that folks are bent about what two of the candidates did and how the Nominating Committee was forced to deal with that issue. Within the rules does not mean RIGHT is the direct quote. Then folks ask WHO is this other guy? Then they ask me for materials.
10-20-2003, 10:11 PM
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RE: The end is near, so lets motivate people.
J_R.
you may have a point or points. But can you imagine if every club in D-8 wrote in a different name. gees.
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Now I know why I only check out this forum only when I'm Bored. Same old crap.
post on fellows I won't be back.
you may have a point or points. But can you imagine if every club in D-8 wrote in a different name. gees.
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Now I know why I only check out this forum only when I'm Bored. Same old crap.
post on fellows I won't be back.
10-20-2003, 10:51 PM
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RE: The end is near, so lets motivate people.
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There had better not be any facts available. Only the Auditor's had best know accurately who is winning. "On the ground" is no different than any poll and is only going to cover what people are willing to admit to. Reference the recent "polls" in my home state in the days preceding the election for Governor. Some times polls are right, and sometimes they are not.
As to how many names are on the ballots cast, it makes no difference. The auditor's will tally them all and present the results to the AMA. There have been write-ins in every election I can recall. IIRC, the last time SF ran in D8, there were about 120 write-in votes. Very likely there were few for any individual.
As Bill Oberdieck has written, the only right of an AMA member is to vote. I can not imagine anyone, other than Horrace Cain, disputing that fact. I can not understand anyone that would discourage a vote for the candidate of the voter's choice.
JR
There had better not be any facts available. Only the Auditor's had best know accurately who is winning. "On the ground" is no different than any poll and is only going to cover what people are willing to admit to. Reference the recent "polls" in my home state in the days preceding the election for Governor. Some times polls are right, and sometimes they are not.
As to how many names are on the ballots cast, it makes no difference. The auditor's will tally them all and present the results to the AMA. There have been write-ins in every election I can recall. IIRC, the last time SF ran in D8, there were about 120 write-in votes. Very likely there were few for any individual.
As Bill Oberdieck has written, the only right of an AMA member is to vote. I can not imagine anyone, other than Horrace Cain, disputing that fact. I can not understand anyone that would discourage a vote for the candidate of the voter's choice.
JR
10-21-2003, 09:08 PM
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Moderator William Robinson,
I have seen a lot worse on this forum and you have the audacity to censor my post,
holier than tho. huh. That proves my point,,CLIQUE,CLIQUE,CLIQUE>
As I ride off into the sunset to look for honesty, integrity and the pursuit of intellectual
activity.
I have seen a lot worse on this forum and you have the audacity to censor my post,
holier than tho. huh. That proves my point,,CLIQUE,CLIQUE,CLIQUE>
As I ride off into the sunset to look for honesty, integrity and the pursuit of intellectual
activity.
10-21-2003, 09:26 PM
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Moderator William Robinson,
I have seen a lot worse on this forum and you have the audacity to censor my post,
holier than tho. huh. That proves my point,,CLIQUE,CLIQUE,CLIQUE>
As I ride off into the sunset to look for honesty, integrity and the pursuit of intellectual
activity.
Moderator William Robinson,
I have seen a lot worse on this forum and you have the audacity to censor my post,
holier than tho. huh. That proves my point,,CLIQUE,CLIQUE,CLIQUE>
As I ride off into the sunset to look for honesty, integrity and the pursuit of intellectual
activity.
You must have gotten bored in a hurry, though.
JR
