Rotcivv17

Hey you guys I got news!! The AMA has edited rule #9 and it says that no plane can rudder touch:@ I'm really mad at this, it doesnt make sense, don't the helicopters touch the ground when hovering?
Victor

Dewey2

My Feedback: (24)

dave brown[:@] i never play be the rules gusse that why i get busted in there dreams.

RCJake-rcu

My Feedback: (7)

I can see where if the tail hits too hard, the rudder, elevator, servos or pushrods to the tail can be damaged causing the aircraft to become uncontrollable, resulting in a crash. This, to me, makes it an unsafe manuever.

Helicopers have skids that touch the ground when landing. Maybe if you attached some skids to the tail of your airplane...

Dewey2

My Feedback: (24)

its not any fun being safe fly unsafe or go fly circles


gives dave[:@]brown daily one finger wave


i really don't see why people call that unsafe. at anytime anything can happen to your or anybodys plane . there is worse places for it to happen than on the ground with the rudder.

mAvRiCk-inactive

Guys for real...everyone that can hover has totla control over the airplane. Give me one story in which someone lost their plane due to a rudder touch. Seriously!!! Think about it.

What did us 3D guys do to deserve this?!?!?!?!?

[:'(][:@][&:][][&o][X(][>:]

mAvRiCk-inactive

Guys this didnt even bend a pushrod...hehe

RCJake-rcu

My Feedback: (7)

"everyone that can hover has totla control over the airplane"

I have been flying for over 28 years and cannot state that I always have complete control of my airplanes. There are receivers that fail. switch failures, flying through dust devils, midairs battery failures, engines that die, getting shot down, stinging bees...face it, there are many things that can happen to make you loose control.

If you think that there is no danger touching the tail (which might become bouncing the tail or smacking the tail due to circumstances that may or may not be beyond your control), then there is nothing that I can say to convince anyone any different. All I know is that I do not think that it is a safe thing to do.

'nuf said...

Jim Branaum

My Feedback: (3)

Jake,
DO NOT say that on any 3D forum!

Ed Smith

Everything is "Safe" if people can do it properly. It is during the learning process that the problems occur

Ed S

mAvRiCk-inactive

I nmeant that if someone did brreak there rudder 2 inches off the ground the possibilities of the plane hurting someone are slim. Secondly I have never heard of that happening.

greenboot

My Feedback: (1)

I've had my rudder cables break several times and there was no loss of control. I don't think this is a problem.

Do you also notice that "hand catching" a powered park flyer is also against the rules?

Tom

lucas-RCU

My Feedback: (1)

This one has been hashed over an over. There are the skyGods that say they are under control at all times because they are the best of the best. Then there are the RC pilots that have proven they are the best by what they have done.
The later of the two don,t seem to have a problem with rule #9.
There are a number of factors that have been left out. The size of the aircraft, I don,t have any problem with the electric or smaller planes touching. There is another factor distance from pilot, The cool factor of the 40% down on the deck inclose is cool to watch, is it safe?????????
Can you control radio hits, gusts of wind, striping servos, engine stoping.
Myself I think rule number 9 is OK for the big planes, unfair for the smaller ones.

Hossfly

No experience with "park fliers" but the electric models that I have flown for others at the field have an on-off switch controlled by the transmitter.

If a Pk. Flier has same, then shut the motor off, and the model is NO LONGER "powered". So catch it if you can. Same for RC glider.

Same for a gliding/DTing FF, yet there might be some contention with a free-wheeling prop on a rubber-powered model, yet that is actually a brake and not power, while a "folder" is definitely not powered.

Never overlook the options.

Dewey2

My Feedback: (24)

flying 3 d is safe if you have the skill to do it you have the skill to know when your past your skill zone and bring it back in . touching the tail is as safe as taking off. as safe as any thing the plane dos. i have been flying for 14 years since i was 5. i have never seen anything hurt by touching the tail. but other people pride from not having the skill to follow him. there have been a few unsafe people at my field. their not there any more. flying 3 d is as safe as it gets . there have been a lot of cars and planes busted while sitting on the ground unwatched from circle flyers and new guys trying to fly. the only time i'm unsafe is when someone says ban 3 d in person. i fly 3d at a small field when i go to the big field i keep it calm..

gives dave[:@]brown daily one finger wave

Dewey2

My Feedback: (24)

you can only swing one way. that is unfair to every one that flys both planes sizes. some keep a few small one to keep up the skill so we don't kill every one in a 3 mile zone if we fall out of a hover when the engine quits or radio lock out. on a 55% if it ok on small its ok on big. thats why we have a flight box to keep it 25 away from bystanders. if the pilot wants to get closer its his life thats out there not yours. i hover close enough i have to wipe oil off my trans and arms. i under stand the risks that are there and i trust my self and every one i fly. with maybe thats why i hate dave[:@] brown so much i have never seen unsafe 3 d flown.i'm for the best ways to go for 3d flight and turbines i have no wavier don't plan to get one either. all will fly at about 150 to 180 but 1 and it should be around 250 or up i hope.

mAvRiCk-inactive

I usually hover at one end of the field to get the old timers away...hehe

Im a kid and have been flying for 6 months with glow and have the confidence of if anyhting goes wrong what to do. I flew a plane a week ago that had a stripped rudder and brought it in. If you know what you are doing than everything is ok. Same with the big planes. Switch failures are not common in big planes. Well, only smart people never have problems becuase of failsafe switches. Gltich busters. The thing I do harte however is that people do argue that warbirds go 100mph by us. Well, the more we argue about this stuff the more the AMA is not going to like us. Just my Opinion. Lets all kcik back and chillax. Break rule r#9 for all I care just lets not argue about it. Its gotten worse as you can see!!![:@][:'(][]

Maybe the AMA is all over RCUniverse anyways maybe

Dan

lucas-RCU

My Feedback: (1)

Mr prophanger I can have what ever opinion I want. Thankyou any way for suggestion I can only swing one way.
But I have seen a good 3d pilot get hurt,hovering in close, cut by 32-10 prop. I THINK THE RULE HAMPERS THE SMALLER PLANES and there pilot, It not stoping you from flying 3D with small ones so you still can practice. But 25Ft away from a 40% down on the deck is a safe distance. 10 ft would be OK for the smaller ones. Untill rule number 9 changes I will comply with the rule change.

Dewey2

My Feedback: (24)

ok i understand were your going did he hurt any body else or furry animals you didn't say he did he took his life in his hands and took his chance thats no different than going to work or driving on the road you take chances going to sleep i don't see how tail touching is any different than living i think dude is right if we just sit back and chill while jamming to m@m or your choise of tunes the ama will get board and change there rules when the figure we don't give HOCKY PUCK

and i'm not mr prophanger i'm not a scool teacher

greenboot

My Feedback: (1)

prophanger,
I think we all understand your point. You are a good pilot and you trust youself to not make a mistake. If something happens, you are willing to accept the consequences.

Unfortunately, the people that make rules are compelled to make policy which the majority can live with. That means lots of people like you are going to be pissed. That's just the way it is going to be.

Actually, I don't know why you are even worried about the rules. You are completely free to disobey every rule if you fly in your backyard. The AMA code is only a guide for those who would like to have insurance coverage when flying at a public field.

Tom

Hossfly

To prophanger and maverick: You guys are young and full of P & V. That's fine as I once was the same and remember the fun I had when I was not wise enough to be more cautious. I remember driving straight through from Vegas to Houston and doing 90 most of the time. Now I drive well within the speed limits today, well mostly[X(].

I remember when out on a night flight all alone and I could turn the lights off, push the Jet down, at idle, and go buzzin' by the oil-well derrick where drilling was being done with people on top of the derrick. Go to 100% and laugh all the way back up to 20,000FT. Fun then, but definitely less than smart. (No big radar control back in those days)

Personally I am totally against the use of the Safety Code Rules to enhance the AMA's position as an insurance provider. (That is the nice way of saying it, however I do have other ideas about the real reasons for these restrictions.)

No matter how proficient or how smart one is, one can always make that one mistake. 41 years of professional aviation, military and airline, taught me one thing for certain: Over-confidence and complacency WILL soon bite your shorts big time, and maybe worse than ignorance.
One friend, in a unit together, was one of the best *Natural pilots* ever. He knew it. One day he had an emergency at very low altitude. One of the few parts found was his hand gripped around the ejection-handle with the SAFETY PIN still engaged. He never pulled the pins prior to taxi out on the mission. All those *SMARTS* and natural ability gone with one small mistake.
I could relate to you a very thick book.

Take a look at the new Feb. issue of RC REPORT and you will find some examples of mistakes made by full scale pilots. They ALL KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING OR THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN IN A POSITION TO BE DRIVING THOSE MACHINES, as they had to demonstrate their proficiency many times. Did you know that an airline Captain has to demonstrate his proficiency each SIX months? (some exceptions with some airline/FAA agreements) It can happen to YOU.

Have to be quite about that before the AMA gets ideas!!

What you don't know may be dangerous, but that which you know for certain, but ain't so, will really bust your bottom. [>:]

Dewey2

My Feedback: (24)

the reason i'm so po off is i fly at a lot of clubs that have ama rules and i know what can happen from a full size plane crash i tolted out my 91 vector 510 when i was 16 still have a limp from it i know flyng and hitting something or someone is no joke but the people that fly 3d know what the heck were doing if we know which way to move the sticks looks like we would know witch way to move to keep from hitting the ground and people

HOSSFLY what p and v mean never herd of that. know what p bj mean mmmmmmmm

i can't drive any were now they don't like a hirbusa comeing by at 150+ any more

taxman232ex

P V = piss & ninegar

In related news, I hear the AMA is going to mandate that all members place a rubberized mat in your bath tub as they are dangerous too.

[>:]

mAvRiCk-inactive

Everyone me and Prophanger1 rule...so back off LOLOLOL JK

I seriously am careful. I actually fin it more fun to try not to touch the tail, but go as low as possible. Just trying new things out...See ya

Dan

You guys are young and full of P & V. hehe thats funny Piss and Vinegar

By Golly that really makes no sense

J_R

Your information is in error, it says nothing about a rudder, in particular. This is the actual wording of the rule, which was passed and published months ago:

“Under no circumstances may a pilot or other person touch a powered model in flight; nor should any part of the model other than the landing gear, intentionally touch the ground, except while landing.”

I specifically asked several EC members about this rule. Apparently, the activities are guided by a simple question. “If someone gets hurt badly, can you, in a court of law, make a rational explanation of your actions leading to the accident?” Dave Brown, in particular, was adamant that the tapping of a tail was extremely unlikely (to the point of impossible) to cause loss of control of a plane. He rejected arguments about damaging servos, breaking the tail, or bending/breaking pushrods. His concern is how the person, upon that type of damage, who then lost control for whatever reason, might be viewed in court. Could you explain in a court law that you were banging the tail of your plane, then lost control and it hurt someone to a mother/wife or widow? What do you think a jury would do if the opposing attorney made exactly that case?

Landing a heli, taking a plane off, or just losing control of a plane in normal flight makes a much better case. Blame the attorney, the courts, and the tort system.

JR

Joe Cunt

What do you guys say to this????