Just joined AMA wen well the Coverage start? Payed with credit card.

When you recieve your card.

Seems like I would be covered now. They have my money but if I have to wait I will thanks

The AMA no longer issues instant memberships because of an incident that happened about a year ago. It normally takes about a week or so to get your card.

The only exception is when you sign up at a sanctioned event and buy a membership from the Contest Director (CD).

JR-

The incident wasn't the proximate cause of the change in policy. Dave Brown's (and no one else's) knee-jerk reaction to it was.

Abel

Agreed, however the "fix" was agreed to by HQ and the EC with the advise of counsel in there somewhere.

Hey, Abel, how can you ding on your new buddy? ROFLMAO

Just want to have credit given where credit is due, JR. Of course I feel even better about it now that I know that some lawyer was involved in arguing DB's position to the EC. Obviously that proves Dave was right, because lawyers always do what is best for the rest of us.

DB's accomplishments need wider recognition if he is to win the office of CIAM President. AFAIK, I was the first to publicly announce in this forum my support of him for that office, and so far as I've seen I'm still the only one. He could use a couple more buddies.

Go Dave Brown!!!!..........................................please

Abel

definition of a good buddy:
he who goes to town, gets 2 blow jobs, and brings ya back one<G>.

and definately send DB to the FAI, they deservve him.

What do you mean "knee jerk"? I thought the change in policy was reasonable considering the implications. The only problem *I* had with it (and its biggest and worst aspect) is the unfriendly way we began to treat modelers. The problem seems to be your friends, the lawyers, treat everyone that way. . .

Well Jim, I don't have the facts from the horse's mouth as the AMA admin has chosen to give us the ol' mushroom treatment re their actions as per SOP. However, some sources on the grapevine that have proved reliable in the past related to me that what got DB's knickers all in a knot was that an AMA member (or so he thought) involved in a liability situation unknowingly had the credit card charge for his AMA renewal bounce. DB's response was to the effect that nobody should benefit from AMA insurance until AMA has the hard cash in hand, and that in a nutshell is the story behind the policy change as I understand it. I called it a 'knee-jerk' as that's simply how I read it - and my use of the term is in the sense of an impulsive response to a situation with no forethought as to the possible negative consequences of that hasty response. As you noted, it's a damned unfriendly way to treat modelers that AMA is seeking support from. People make mistakes, most everyone has had a check bounce or credit charge refused due to their own error or that of others. DB apparently assumes the worst in people, i.e., that every is out to rip off AMA. Don't you suppose that has something to do with his immediate personal experience with human nature?
The $10-12 per year that goes to the AMA insurance kitty for each member could easily be covered by a small reserve to give the benefit of doubt to some few poor saps that have glitches with their credit account or inadvertently overdrew their checking account. I'd be happy to put up the 58 bucks out of pocket, if AMA can't afford the risk, to cover the next guy that applies and has a funding glitch, rather than have DB assume he is a felon and have AMA reject his application or renewal.
If I got the story wrong, I'll certainly listen while sombody sets it straight.
Abel

Abel,
I am sure your sources are similar to mine, and reasonably accurate as to the facts of that particular watershed case. However, I am not sure you have the right 'guilty' party. I have a serious problem putting this all on the shoulders of Dave Brown. I very strongly suspect that he has had a lot of help with this one, and that is what we NEED to change.

Let me put it another way for clarity. While I am sure DB has done some things many are unhappy about, I cannot recall when the AMA trusted modelers, can you? From my perspective this has been a long term problem, not just something that happened to show up when the going got hard for our association.

Couple this with some politrician's attempt at keeping the operations of our organization secret (like the D8 DVP - as HE STATED this month in MA - for example) and the mushroom farm in Muncie is growing daily.

Abel has the story straight

It seems to me that when they have money in hand I should be covered I am sure they well have the money by today but I'll still have to wait for another two weeks but such is big business I'll wait thanks for the info