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08-17-2005 | 11:51 AM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
ORIGINAL: Daren Savage
Whichever gas station I use makes no difference to me. I am not posting here saying we should search out other venues to serve our fossil fuel needs because the present one isn't selling my brand.
My point was that the AMA, like a club are the people who make up the organization. To say it is the AMA's responsibility to promote modeling is a convienent way of saying, "It's not my job." The AMA stands for Association of Modeling Aeronautics. An association, by definition is a group of like minded individuals.
I suggest rather than say it's not my job, we personalize the modeling growth and take responsiblity for bringing one new person each to the joys of modeling. If each member of said association did that, then the membership would double, would it not?
Were you introduced to modeling by the AMA or a friend?
Daren
Whichever gas station I use makes no difference to me. I am not posting here saying we should search out other venues to serve our fossil fuel needs because the present one isn't selling my brand.
My point was that the AMA, like a club are the people who make up the organization. To say it is the AMA's responsibility to promote modeling is a convienent way of saying, "It's not my job." The AMA stands for Association of Modeling Aeronautics. An association, by definition is a group of like minded individuals.
I suggest rather than say it's not my job, we personalize the modeling growth and take responsiblity for bringing one new person each to the joys of modeling. If each member of said association did that, then the membership would double, would it not?
Were you introduced to modeling by the AMA or a friend?
Daren
Can someone help me out?
I am looking for the AMA that stands for the Academy of Model Aeronautics. The Academy that has a set of by-laws that sets forth it's purpose, in part, as "Subject to the limitations set forth in the Academy of Model Aeronautics, Inc., Articles of Incorporation, the primary object of the AMA is to promote and foster educational and scientific advancement in model aeronautics, to give recognition to model leadership and to provide guidance and direction of national model aeronautic affairs by those individuals who, through their accomplishments in the model field, have demonstrated their qualifications for such responsibility.
The Academy that has as a mission statement the following: "AMA Mission
The Academy of Model Aeronautics is a world-class association of modelers organized for the purpose of promotion, development, education and advancement of modeling activities. The Academy provides leadership, organization, competition, communication, protection, representation, recognition, education and scientific/technical development to modelers."
Thanks
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08-17-2005 | 12:09 PM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
ORIGINAL: Daren Savage
<snip>
My point was that the AMA, like a club are the people who make up the organization. To say it is the AMA's responsibility to promote modeling is a convienent way of saying, "It's not my job." The AMA stands for Association of Modeling Aeronautics. An association, by definition is a group of like minded individuals.
I suggest rather than say it's not my job, we personalize the modeling growth and take responsiblity for bringing one new person each to the joys of modeling. If each member of said association did that, then the membership would double, would it not?
Were you introduced to modeling by the AMA or a friend?
Daren
<snip>
My point was that the AMA, like a club are the people who make up the organization. To say it is the AMA's responsibility to promote modeling is a convienent way of saying, "It's not my job." The AMA stands for Association of Modeling Aeronautics. An association, by definition is a group of like minded individuals.
I suggest rather than say it's not my job, we personalize the modeling growth and take responsiblity for bringing one new person each to the joys of modeling. If each member of said association did that, then the membership would double, would it not?
Were you introduced to modeling by the AMA or a friend?
Daren
I have brought a lot of friends and family into modeling. Usually, doing so involved working around AMA, or simply ignoring their rules. Rules that appear mainly designed to put a toll booth between my guests and their introductory experiences with modeling. If the venue is my AMA-chartered club field, there are two options for accommodating the newcomer: the Intro Pilot program, or a buddy box flight with my airplane - just once per AMA rule. I and my guests prefer the latter. Turning them over to a stranger for their introduction to modeling via hands-on experience is tacky - modeling is a social thing too. There is no legitimate reason for the one-time policy re buddy-box flying. The owner of the model is fully responsible for the flight and can seize control instantly as he deems necessary. Stats kept by AMA show no unusual risk in the buddy-box situation, and yes I have checked that out. The one-time policy is there to restrict the newbie from engaging in modeling until he has paid AMA for the privilege.
AMA policy of this sort, and I have cited but one example, that puts promotion of AMA cash flow ahead of promotion of model aviation exits because it can, when AMA is the only game in town.
Abel
08-17-2005 | 03:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
If the venue is my AMA-chartered club field, there are two options for accommodating the newcomer: the Intro Pilot program, or a buddy box flight with my airplane - just once per AMA rule. I and my guests prefer the latter. Turning them over to a stranger for their introduction to modeling via hands-on experience is tacky - modeling is a social thing too. There is no legitimate reason for the one-time policy re buddy-box flying. The owner of the model is fully responsible for the flight and can seize control instantly as he deems necessary. Stats kept by AMA show no unusual risk in the buddy-box situation, and yes I have checked that out. The one-time policy is there to restrict the newbie from engaging in modeling until he has paid AMA for the privilege.
AMA policy of this sort, and I have cited but one example, that puts promotion of AMA cash flow ahead of promotion of model aviation exits because it can, when AMA is the only game in town.
If the venue is my AMA-chartered club field, there are two options for accommodating the newcomer: the Intro Pilot program, or a buddy box flight with my airplane - just once per AMA rule. I and my guests prefer the latter. Turning them over to a stranger for their introduction to modeling via hands-on experience is tacky - modeling is a social thing too. There is no legitimate reason for the one-time policy re buddy-box flying. The owner of the model is fully responsible for the flight and can seize control instantly as he deems necessary. Stats kept by AMA show no unusual risk in the buddy-box situation, and yes I have checked that out. The one-time policy is there to restrict the newbie from engaging in modeling until he has paid AMA for the privilege.
AMA policy of this sort, and I have cited but one example, that puts promotion of AMA cash flow ahead of promotion of model aviation exits because it can, when AMA is the only game in town.
I'm an AMA Intro Pilot, as is my brother, Daren.
I think you misunderstand how the Intro Pilot program works. It's not a one-time, meaning, one-flight affair. The prospective pilot is allowed to fly for a period of 30 days. The one-time part means that once the 30 days are up, the prospective pilot may no longer fly under the intro pilot program and must join the AMA if he wishes to continue flying.
Here's the relevent passage from the AMA Intro Pilot program Application:
[link=http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/906.pdf]AMA Introductory Pilot Program (Application)[/link]
A non-AMA member may fly at a chartered club field and receive member liability insurance protection as long as he/she is flying under the direct supervision of a club-designated Introductory Pilot. The Introductory Pilot must hold a current AMA open membership license with the “Intro Pilot†classification. Supervised flights must take place at an AMA chartered club’s field, and must be closely supervised in a one-on-one relationship. The non-AMA member will have the same liability insurance coverage that other AMA members receive, solely while under the direct, one-on-one supervision of the Intro Pilot, for a period of 30 consecutive days starting from the first session. No other AMA benefits are provided to the non-AMA member.
Participation in this program is on a one-time basis only; an extension cannot be granted for any reason. This program covers training activities only, and does not constitute permission to fly in any organized event of AMA members or clubs, sanctioned or otherwise. No AMA card will be issued to the non-AMA member during the 30-day introduction period.
A non-AMA member may fly at a chartered club field and receive member liability insurance protection as long as he/she is flying under the direct supervision of a club-designated Introductory Pilot. The Introductory Pilot must hold a current AMA open membership license with the “Intro Pilot†classification. Supervised flights must take place at an AMA chartered club’s field, and must be closely supervised in a one-on-one relationship. The non-AMA member will have the same liability insurance coverage that other AMA members receive, solely while under the direct, one-on-one supervision of the Intro Pilot, for a period of 30 consecutive days starting from the first session. No other AMA benefits are provided to the non-AMA member.
Participation in this program is on a one-time basis only; an extension cannot be granted for any reason. This program covers training activities only, and does not constitute permission to fly in any organized event of AMA members or clubs, sanctioned or otherwise. No AMA card will be issued to the non-AMA member during the 30-day introduction period.
08-17-2005 | 03:49 PM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
ORIGINAL: DanSavage
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Abel,
I'm an AMA Intro Pilot, as is my brother, Daren.
I think you misunderstand how the Intro Pilot program works. It's not a one-time, meaning, one-flight affair. The prospective pilot is allowed to fly for a period of 30 days. The one-time part means that once the 30 days are up, the prospective pilot may no longer fly under the intro pilot program and must join the AMA if he wishes to continue flying.
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Abel,
I'm an AMA Intro Pilot, as is my brother, Daren.
I think you misunderstand how the Intro Pilot program works. It's not a one-time, meaning, one-flight affair. The prospective pilot is allowed to fly for a period of 30 days. The one-time part means that once the 30 days are up, the prospective pilot may no longer fly under the intro pilot program and must join the AMA if he wishes to continue flying.
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I'm quite familiar with the Intro Pilot Program, having been so designated by one of the clubs I belong to. That was several years ago, and AFAIK there are no IP's currently in that club. That is something the club has in common with about 9 out 10 AMA-chartered clubs.
My reference to a one-time only policy involves another provision for a newbie to get some hands on R/C model flying, the only other one I am aware of. Any AMA member can allow a non-AMA member to fly the member's model (only), while using a buddy box that is in the 'slave' mode, and the member is always the PIC and bears all responsibility for safety of the flight. Once. It isn't reasonable that it restricted to a one-shot deal, and apparently most members agree, as it is widely ignored. I ignore when I can get away with it, i.e., when there are no "roolz is roolz" nazis in sight.
Abel
08-17-2005 | 05:05 PM
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ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
My reference to a one-time only policy involves another provision for a newbie to get some hands on R/C model flying, the only other one I am aware of. Any AMA member can allow a non-AMA member to fly the member's model (only), while using a buddy box that is in the 'slave' mode, and the member is always the PIC and bears all responsibility for safety of the flight. Once.
My reference to a one-time only policy involves another provision for a newbie to get some hands on R/C model flying, the only other one I am aware of. Any AMA member can allow a non-AMA member to fly the member's model (only), while using a buddy box that is in the 'slave' mode, and the member is always the PIC and bears all responsibility for safety of the flight. Once.
Do you have a reference/link/URL to this?
Dan
08-17-2005 | 05:43 PM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
ORIGINAL: DanSavage
I've never heard of this before now.
Do you have a reference/link/URL to this?
Dan
ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
My reference to a one-time only policy involves another provision for a newbie to get some hands on R/C model flying, the only other one I am aware of. Any AMA member can allow a non-AMA member to fly the member's model (only), while using a buddy box that is in the 'slave' mode, and the member is always the PIC and bears all responsibility for safety of the flight. Once.
My reference to a one-time only policy involves another provision for a newbie to get some hands on R/C model flying, the only other one I am aware of. Any AMA member can allow a non-AMA member to fly the member's model (only), while using a buddy box that is in the 'slave' mode, and the member is always the PIC and bears all responsibility for safety of the flight. Once.
Do you have a reference/link/URL to this?
Dan
http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/2005clubkit.PDF :
“For non-AMA members wishing to experience a “hands-on†model flight, the Academy does allow this, on a one-time
basis per person ONLY, (with the use of a Buddy Box system for RC. During this one-time flight, the Club’s liability
insurance is in effect as long as the non-member’s supervised flying is in accordance with the AMA National Model
Aircraft Safety Code(s). Under NO situation should the non-member’s equipment or aircraft be used.
“ONLY AMA members are insured during this flight per the terms of the liability policy. This coverage is never
transferable to the non-AMA member during the permitted one-time trial flight.
“Should an accident occur during this one-time flight, the person who owns the aircraft (usually the person providing the
flight assistance) must file an accident report. Under the liability policy, the plane is never insured and the non-AMA
member is never insured during this flight.â€
08-17-2005 | 07:35 PM
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ORIGINAL: J_R
Apparently, I have entered the wrong forum.
Can someone help me out?
Apparently, I have entered the wrong forum.
Can someone help me out?
Daren
08-17-2005 | 07:52 PM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
I have no quarrel with your essential point at all. It is my place to bring people into the hobby/sport, and I don't put the onus on AMA to do that. All I ask of AMA is to get out of my way while I'm doing it. My objective is to introduce others to modeling, not to induct them into AMA.
I have brought a lot of friends and family into modeling. Usually, doing so involved working around AMA, or simply ignoring their rules. Rules that appear mainly designed to put a toll booth between my guests and their introductory experiences with modeling. If the venue is my AMA-chartered club field, there are two options for accommodating the newcomer: the Intro Pilot program, or a buddy box flight with my airplane - just once per AMA rule. I and my guests prefer the latter. Turning them over to a stranger for their introduction to modeling via hands-on experience is tacky - modeling is a social thing too. There is no legitimate reason for the one-time policy re buddy-box flying. The owner of the model is fully responsible for the flight and can seize control instantly as he deems necessary. Stats kept by AMA show no unusual risk in the buddy-box situation, and yes I have checked that out. The one-time policy is there to restrict the newbie from engaging in modeling until he has paid AMA for the privilege.
AMA policy of this sort, and I have cited but one example, that puts promotion of AMA cash flow ahead of promotion of model aviation exits because it can, when AMA is the only game in town.
Abel
I have no quarrel with your essential point at all. It is my place to bring people into the hobby/sport, and I don't put the onus on AMA to do that. All I ask of AMA is to get out of my way while I'm doing it. My objective is to introduce others to modeling, not to induct them into AMA.
I have brought a lot of friends and family into modeling. Usually, doing so involved working around AMA, or simply ignoring their rules. Rules that appear mainly designed to put a toll booth between my guests and their introductory experiences with modeling. If the venue is my AMA-chartered club field, there are two options for accommodating the newcomer: the Intro Pilot program, or a buddy box flight with my airplane - just once per AMA rule. I and my guests prefer the latter. Turning them over to a stranger for their introduction to modeling via hands-on experience is tacky - modeling is a social thing too. There is no legitimate reason for the one-time policy re buddy-box flying. The owner of the model is fully responsible for the flight and can seize control instantly as he deems necessary. Stats kept by AMA show no unusual risk in the buddy-box situation, and yes I have checked that out. The one-time policy is there to restrict the newbie from engaging in modeling until he has paid AMA for the privilege.
AMA policy of this sort, and I have cited but one example, that puts promotion of AMA cash flow ahead of promotion of model aviation exits because it can, when AMA is the only game in town.
Abel
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08-18-2005 | 10:36 AM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
ORIGINAL: DanSavage
Thanks for the link and quote, but I'm confused.
What's this reference to 'your Association' mean?
What association are you talking about?
Dan
ORIGINAL: J_R
I’m not sure for your Association, but for the Academy...
I’m not sure for your Association, but for the Academy...
What's this reference to 'your Association' mean?
What association are you talking about?
Dan
First, the name of this thread is New Model Aviation Organization. Then in post #25, Daren makes the point that he apparently belongs to the Association of Modeling Aeronautics, i.e. the AMA in his words. Then in post #28 Dan (that’s you) makes the statement that you are both (you and Daren) AMA intro pilots, thus leading us to believe you are both members of this new organization.
Isn’t that the case?
08-18-2005 | 11:08 AM
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ORIGINAL: J_R
Let’s see.
First, the name of this thread is New Model Aviation Organization. Then in post #25, Daren makes the point that he apparently belongs to the Association of Modeling Aeronautics, i.e. the AMA in his words. Then in post #28 Dan (that’s you) makes the statement that you are both (you and Daren) AMA intro pilots, thus leading us to believe you are both members of this new organization.
Isn’t that the case?
Let’s see.
First, the name of this thread is New Model Aviation Organization. Then in post #25, Daren makes the point that he apparently belongs to the Association of Modeling Aeronautics, i.e. the AMA in his words. Then in post #28 Dan (that’s you) makes the statement that you are both (you and Daren) AMA intro pilots, thus leading us to believe you are both members of this new organization.
Isn’t that the case?
In my post #28, to which organization did my link lead?
In my post #28, from which organization's document did I quote?
Or, should I also from now on write, 'Academy of Model Aeronautics' instead of AMA so you don't think I'm talking about the American Medical Association, or the American Motorcyclist Assocation, or the Alberta Motor Association, or the Americana Music Association, as well?
Dan
08-18-2005 | 12:46 PM
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Hey, as far as I am concerned, forget it. You asked. If he made a mistake, he made a mistake.
The more important question, and I am serious, is how he (Daren) determined, in post #33, that the one flight policy was set by the insurance company rather than the AMA itself. I believe the AMA set the policy and not the insurance company. Abel has some expertise on this issue and may be able to shed some light on it.
The more important question, and I am serious, is how he (Daren) determined, in post #33, that the one flight policy was set by the insurance company rather than the AMA itself. I believe the AMA set the policy and not the insurance company. Abel has some expertise on this issue and may be able to shed some light on it.
08-18-2005 | 01:19 PM
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Hey, as far as I am concerned, forget it. You asked. If he made a mistake, he made a mistake.
The more important question, and I am serious, is how he (Daren) determined, in post #33, that the one flight policy was set by the insurance company rather than the AMA itself. I believe the AMA set the policy and not the insurance company. Abel has some expertise on this issue and may be able to shed some light on it.
Hey, as far as I am concerned, forget it. You asked. If he made a mistake, he made a mistake.
The more important question, and I am serious, is how he (Daren) determined, in post #33, that the one flight policy was set by the insurance company rather than the AMA itself. I believe the AMA set the policy and not the insurance company. Abel has some expertise on this issue and may be able to shed some light on it.
And you could've shown some class and apologized to me for your mistake. But, you didn't. Instead, you tried to rationalize your flaming me because I wrote that we're both AMA Intro Pilots and that was confusing you and all the other gentle readers of this thread.
If you're so serious about your question, why not respond directly to his post #33?
Why are you asking me instead of him?
But, as long as you asked me, I have to ask you, which AMA are you talking about? The Academy of Model Aeronautics, the American Medical Association, the American Motorcyclist Assocation, the Alberta Motor Association, or the Americana Music Association?
Dan
08-18-2005 | 01:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: J_R
Apparently, I have entered the wrong forum.
Can someone help me out?
I am looking for the AMA that stands for the Academy of Model Aeronautics. The Academy that has a set of by-laws that sets forth it's purpose, in part, as "Subject to the limitations set forth in the Academy of Model Aeronautics, Inc., Articles of Incorporation, the primary object of the AMA is to promote and foster educational and scientific advancement in model aeronautics, to give recognition to model leadership and to provide guidance and direction of national model aeronautic affairs by those individuals who, through their accomplishments in the model field, have demonstrated their qualifications for such responsibility.
The Academy that has as a mission statement the following: "AMA Mission
The Academy of Model Aeronautics is a world-class association of modelers organized for the purpose of promotion, development, education and advancement of modeling activities. The Academy provides leadership, organization, competition, communication, protection, representation, recognition, education and scientific/technical development to modelers."
Thanks
JR
ORIGINAL: Daren Savage
Whichever gas station I use makes no difference to me. I am not posting here saying we should search out other venues to serve our fossil fuel needs because the present one isn't selling my brand.
My point was that the AMA, like a club are the people who make up the organization. To say it is the AMA's responsibility to promote modeling is a convienent way of saying, "It's not my job." The AMA stands for Association of Modeling Aeronautics. An association, by definition is a group of like minded individuals.
I suggest rather than say it's not my job, we personalize the modeling growth and take responsiblity for bringing one new person each to the joys of modeling. If each member of said association did that, then the membership would double, would it not?
Were you introduced to modeling by the AMA or a friend?
Daren
Whichever gas station I use makes no difference to me. I am not posting here saying we should search out other venues to serve our fossil fuel needs because the present one isn't selling my brand.
My point was that the AMA, like a club are the people who make up the organization. To say it is the AMA's responsibility to promote modeling is a convienent way of saying, "It's not my job." The AMA stands for Association of Modeling Aeronautics. An association, by definition is a group of like minded individuals.
I suggest rather than say it's not my job, we personalize the modeling growth and take responsiblity for bringing one new person each to the joys of modeling. If each member of said association did that, then the membership would double, would it not?
Were you introduced to modeling by the AMA or a friend?
Daren
Can someone help me out?
I am looking for the AMA that stands for the Academy of Model Aeronautics. The Academy that has a set of by-laws that sets forth it's purpose, in part, as "Subject to the limitations set forth in the Academy of Model Aeronautics, Inc., Articles of Incorporation, the primary object of the AMA is to promote and foster educational and scientific advancement in model aeronautics, to give recognition to model leadership and to provide guidance and direction of national model aeronautic affairs by those individuals who, through their accomplishments in the model field, have demonstrated their qualifications for such responsibility.
The Academy that has as a mission statement the following: "AMA Mission
The Academy of Model Aeronautics is a world-class association of modelers organized for the purpose of promotion, development, education and advancement of modeling activities. The Academy provides leadership, organization, competition, communication, protection, representation, recognition, education and scientific/technical development to modelers."
Thanks
JR
08-18-2005 | 02:24 PM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
ORIGINAL: Daren Savage
No problem. I would ask does this limitation come from the AMA or the insurance carrier that the AMA uses? Sorry, I just read your post to Dan and I see it's spelled out by the insurance company.
Daren
No problem. I would ask does this limitation come from the AMA or the insurance carrier that the AMA uses? Sorry, I just read your post to Dan and I see it's spelled out by the insurance company.
Daren
What is spelled out by the insurance company is posted in the AMA documents section on the AMA web site (Yea!!!). It's newly made available to us, never been posted before. I hope you'll take advantage of it to find the answer your question.
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08-18-2005 | 05:43 PM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
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Classic JR... more than three months without a peep...pick a nit... see where it sticks... deflect to some other point.........Missed you JR! Welcome back! maybe you can stir it up again. Hope all has been well.
Classic JR... more than three months without a peep...pick a nit... see where it sticks... deflect to some other point.........Missed you JR! Welcome back! maybe you can stir it up again. Hope all has been well.
Something has changed. There used to be a sticky from GrnBrt telling what a pleasure it was to moderate this forum. Now it reads as a warning. What happened? Seems like there are more personal attacks and less attention to fact and truth. Threads go along for two posts and fall apart under personal attacks. No one seems to care if what they post is factual or just bull. Where opinion was once labeled as opinion, now it is posted as truth.
A forum the likes of which you and Horrace built over a long period, that drew the attention of the EC because of the fresh ideas and honest opinions, has been relegated to something more akin to rec.models.rc.air. Matter of fact, I haven’t seen a lot of the old crew posting. Some on the EC say they no longer bother to monitor the forum. I guess they are not interested in threats of bodily harm or name calling. It’s a shame. We had a real soapbox to speak right to the EC.
Hope you are doing well. Hope to see more posting from you and some of the others that are watching from the sidelines.
08-18-2005 | 07:22 PM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
ORIGINAL: abel_pranger
Darren-
What is spelled out by the insurance company is posted in the AMA documents section on the AMA web site (Yea!!!). It's newly made available to us, never been posted before. I hope you'll take advantage of it to find the answer your question.
Abel
Darren-
What is spelled out by the insurance company is posted in the AMA documents section on the AMA web site (Yea!!!). It's newly made available to us, never been posted before. I hope you'll take advantage of it to find the answer your question.
Abel
Thanks for the info. I'll take a look.
Daren
08-18-2005 | 09:28 PM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
ORIGINAL: Daren Savage
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Abble,
Thanks for the info. I'll take a look.
Daren
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Abble,
Thanks for the info. I'll take a look.
Daren
Not my doing, it's "thanks JR." He's the primary advocate among denizens of this forum that lobbied AMA HQ to make it available to us.
Abel
08-18-2005 | 10:43 PM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
The 2 problems I see with the AMA is Cost and there rules. I went for the 1/2 year rate for 1/2 price. But I had to do the magizine which costs more. The big rule the AMA has I do not like is... You are supposed to abide by the RULES the RC club has where you fly. NOT GOOD. I used to fly at a couple of places where the field is actually owned by the county. All you needed to fly was prof of home insurance for flying RC...or AMA insurance. Us RC people that do not fly in compitetion should ony need basic coverage. Now one of these clubs where I used to fly (which is public land) makes up there own rules...like landing fee...AMA only insurance and only if they like you enough to let you fly. The club I am talking about thinks they own the land...but they don,t. The AMA should tell such clubs to try and support the RC Hobby instead of letting them make up any rule they wish. I do not like it when I pay the AMA and then be jerked around with rules these clubs on public land inforces. The AMA should get that strait...NOW. Also I do understand that clubs with privite fields should be able to make certain rules...ok. I have gone to RC fly- ins where they treat everyone real nice and even have food at the fly in for just a donation. Very nice guys. But the AMA has to keep a tight rope on clubs that keep the membership down, so they can hog the field to themself. Many times no one there. But you cannot fly unless someone shows up. They even put up steel chain fences latley. The same club never has any fly-ins to get new people interested. Should they be a charter club??? I want to hear what you readers say about this. Thanks Capt,n
08-19-2005 | 10:09 AM
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
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Daren-
Not my doing, it's "thanks JR." He's the primary advocate among denizens of this forum that lobbied AMA HQ to make it available to us.
Abel
Daren-
Not my doing, it's "thanks JR." He's the primary advocate among denizens of this forum that lobbied AMA HQ to make it available to us.
Abel
No credit due here. We all carped and whined for a long time. I stumbled over it looking for something else. I have no idea how long it has been posted. Would be interesting to know how long it sat there undiscovered. I did make a couple of inquiries and found surprise it had been posted. Just as a guess... credit can be given to Carl Maroney and/or Don Koranda for posting it in an attempt to better serve AMA members.
08-29-2005 | 11:51 PM
#50
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RE: New Model Aviation Organization
HEY DAREN....I'm raising my hand to say that our "rebel flying club" or whatever other name the "official clubs" are calling us this week have recently turned out 5 new RC pilots that are going to continue in the hobby. (mostly because we actually paid attention to them on the buddy box)
With that said:
We have no president, club marshall, etc, but turn out more pilots (well lately 5 us to 0 them) than all the other clubs in the area....there are three. Oh and I'm talking competent, you'd be amazed how well they fly pilots. We've also gone from 4 or 5 of us out there flying to around 35. Heck I had to take off my shoes to count as many airplanes as we had last Sunday, and with no rules or by-laws, etc we never had more than 4 planes up at once and everyone got to fly pretty much their gallon of fuel. (gets kinda hot bout the time the gallon is gone) Now how hard was that? See unlike alot of the clubs people don't have to be in our "click" to fit in and be properly trained. Alot of clubs aren't doing much for the hobby.... read the posts. Most of the clubs want only certain people flying there. Its a rampid disease up here. Don't get me wrong I've talked with alot of people around the world that have clubs that are doing amazing things for the hobby. I've seen way too many "Club member flight instructors" too busy with their socializing and morning coffee to watch the plane the student is flying until after it leaves a divot.
My question is.....If there were a new organization, would it be offensive to your personal pride in the status you have with all your club positions?
With that said:
We have no president, club marshall, etc, but turn out more pilots (well lately 5 us to 0 them) than all the other clubs in the area....there are three. Oh and I'm talking competent, you'd be amazed how well they fly pilots. We've also gone from 4 or 5 of us out there flying to around 35. Heck I had to take off my shoes to count as many airplanes as we had last Sunday, and with no rules or by-laws, etc we never had more than 4 planes up at once and everyone got to fly pretty much their gallon of fuel. (gets kinda hot bout the time the gallon is gone) Now how hard was that? See unlike alot of the clubs people don't have to be in our "click" to fit in and be properly trained. Alot of clubs aren't doing much for the hobby.... read the posts. Most of the clubs want only certain people flying there. Its a rampid disease up here. Don't get me wrong I've talked with alot of people around the world that have clubs that are doing amazing things for the hobby. I've seen way too many "Club member flight instructors" too busy with their socializing and morning coffee to watch the plane the student is flying until after it leaves a divot.
My question is.....If there were a new organization, would it be offensive to your personal pride in the status you have with all your club positions?
