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ORIGINAL: John Casey
"The OUTLAW races held on the last Sunday of each month are not considered events because they do not close the field down or generate club income."
Well Jimmy
If it looks like an event,
And is run like an event,
has pylons ,timers, etc like an event .................... ITS AN EVENT.
please remember only 15-20 racers in a club of 160+.
seems "racers "are shoving "thier" sport down the throats of the rest of the membership,
The sport pilots like myself (who also raced) are not disrespecting the racing,
Its the racers disrespecting the sport flying And eating up 12 sundays a year
which would not be tolerated in any club any where in the world.
The racing ran OFF the rest of the pilots that just want to fly NORMALLY
without having to stand down for a race every ten minutes.
If your not racing your not in "THEIR CLUB".
The problems in the club started AFTER THE RACERS WANTED THE FIELD ONLY TO DO RACING,
and screw everyone else. The club ran fine for nearly two decaded without
having the racers run roughshot over the rest of the membership.
As far as the communistick remarks.....
anyone voicing an opinion against the "party" was asked to leave, and I was hardly the only voice.
Jimmy Skids can "spin this" anyway he wants these "EVENTS" would never be allowed elsewhere.
My allegations have once again been proved by Mr. Smiths own post. RACING ....RACING .....RACING.
Its all about having racing...........
as far as Mr smith wishing me well, he's wishing me well .....
as long as I don't fly at a field that he thinks belongs to his little group and not the public, he's the
only one having a huge hissy fit when I show up to fly a beautiful "showstopper "scale aircraft.
The rest of the members love to have me show up an fly "something new". They are way tired of the same old PP crap.
"The OUTLAW races held on the last Sunday of each month are not considered events because they do not close the field down or generate club income."
Well Jimmy
If it looks like an event,
And is run like an event,
has pylons ,timers, etc like an event .................... ITS AN EVENT.
please remember only 15-20 racers in a club of 160+.
seems "racers "are shoving "thier" sport down the throats of the rest of the membership,
The sport pilots like myself (who also raced) are not disrespecting the racing,
Its the racers disrespecting the sport flying And eating up 12 sundays a year
which would not be tolerated in any club any where in the world.
The racing ran OFF the rest of the pilots that just want to fly NORMALLY
without having to stand down for a race every ten minutes.
If your not racing your not in "THEIR CLUB".
The problems in the club started AFTER THE RACERS WANTED THE FIELD ONLY TO DO RACING,
and screw everyone else. The club ran fine for nearly two decaded without
having the racers run roughshot over the rest of the membership.
As far as the communistick remarks.....
anyone voicing an opinion against the "party" was asked to leave, and I was hardly the only voice.
Jimmy Skids can "spin this" anyway he wants these "EVENTS" would never be allowed elsewhere.
My allegations have once again been proved by Mr. Smiths own post. RACING ....RACING .....RACING.
Its all about having racing...........
as far as Mr smith wishing me well, he's wishing me well .....
as long as I don't fly at a field that he thinks belongs to his little group and not the public, he's the
only one having a huge hissy fit when I show up to fly a beautiful "showstopper "scale aircraft.
The rest of the members love to have me show up an fly "something new". They are way tired of the same old PP crap.
I don't know why you are so bitter and/or why you keep bashing like you do. For heavens sake, get over yourself already.
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RE: Civil Discourse
Jim Smith writes:
I don't know why you are so bitter and/or why you keep bashing like you do."
To the folks who read this I answer:
I don't know why you don't know the position
you take defending an organization that treats its members
the way yours does is wrong and hardlly the norm for this hobby.
reading this thread top to bottom shows you don't have a clue
that the things done to myself and the rest of the membership
of this club are outside the normal runnings of this hobby.
Ignorance is bliss.
I don't know why you are so bitter and/or why you keep bashing like you do."
To the folks who read this I answer:
I don't know why you don't know the position
you take defending an organization that treats its members
the way yours does is wrong and hardlly the norm for this hobby.
reading this thread top to bottom shows you don't have a clue
that the things done to myself and the rest of the membership
of this club are outside the normal runnings of this hobby.
Ignorance is bliss.
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ORIGINAL: John Casey
Jim Smith writes:
I don't know why you are so bitter and/or why you keep bashing like you do."
To the folks who read this I answer:
I don't know why you don't know the position
you take defending an organization that treats its members
the way yours does is wrong and hardlly the norm for this hobby.
reading this thread top to bottom shows you don't have a clue
that the things done to myself and the rest of the membership
of this club are outside the normal runnings of this hobby.
Ignorance is bliss.
Jim Smith writes:
I don't know why you are so bitter and/or why you keep bashing like you do."
To the folks who read this I answer:
I don't know why you don't know the position
you take defending an organization that treats its members
the way yours does is wrong and hardlly the norm for this hobby.
reading this thread top to bottom shows you don't have a clue
that the things done to myself and the rest of the membership
of this club are outside the normal runnings of this hobby.
Ignorance is bliss.
John,
After reading your above post I must admit that I am left without a "clue" as to what in the world you are trying to get across. Lighten up, go enjoy the hobby and move on with things. Your continued push for "justice" right or wrong does nothing to improve your position.
Normal runnings of the hobby? Come on, no two clubs are run the same and I would guess that "normal" is in the eye of the beholder. I'm perfectly comfortable with the way the club is run by the current BOD and if I wasn't then I would leave, or work within the rules for change.
From some of your previous posts it seems like you have found a club that excepts you for you. Follows the interests that are closest to yours, and has an very long run way. Sounds like a match made in heaven to me. It's time to let it go. Start enjoying the hobby for what it is...... A hobby.
Move on.
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RE: Civil Discourse
Your compliant was "disruption of meetings" ............what does that have to do with flying?
I'll be coming out the Sam field time to time to fly
some beautiful warbirds (with Brakes for the shorter runway)
..................Lets see if you and your "group" can "lighten
up" and let me fly in peace as you do other pilots
considered "non-paying members"of the SAM club
Without keying my van , slashing my tires,or turning on a radio to shoot my planes down.
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ORIGINAL: John Casey
Your compliant was "disruption of meetings" ............what does that have to do with flying?
I'll be coming out the Sam field time to time to fly
some beautiful warbirds (with Brakes for the shorter runway)
..................Lets see if you and your "group" can "lighten
up" and let me fly in peace as you do other pilots
considered "non-paying members"of the SAM club
Without keying my van , slashing my tires,or turning on a radio to shoot my planes down.
Your compliant was "disruption of meetings" ............what does that have to do with flying?
I'll be coming out the Sam field time to time to fly
some beautiful warbirds (with Brakes for the shorter runway)
..................Lets see if you and your "group" can "lighten
up" and let me fly in peace as you do other pilots
considered "non-paying members"of the SAM club
Without keying my van , slashing my tires,or turning on a radio to shoot my planes down.
John,
Please take my advice and stop this nonsense. You have been expelled and are not welcome at the SAM site. If this does not make sense to you then please seek medical attention because you are not right. It is down right sad that you continue down this path of BS, lies and stupidity. I'm done!
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RE: Civil Discourse
ORIGINAL: Jimmy Skids
John,
Please take my advice and stop this nonsense. You have been expelled and are not welcome at the SAM site. If this does not make sense to you then please seek medical attention because you are not right. It is down right sad that you continue down this path of BS, lies and stupidity. I'm done!
Jimmy Skids
ORIGINAL: John Casey
Your compliant was "disruption of meetings" ............what does that have to do with flying?
I'll be coming out the Sam field time to time to fly
some beautiful warbirds (with Brakes for the shorter runway)
..................Lets see if you and your "group" can "lighten
up" and let me fly in peace as you do other pilots
considered "non-paying members"of the SAM club
Without keying my van , slashing my tires,or turning on a radio to shoot my planes down.
Your compliant was "disruption of meetings" ............what does that have to do with flying?
I'll be coming out the Sam field time to time to fly
some beautiful warbirds (with Brakes for the shorter runway)
..................Lets see if you and your "group" can "lighten
up" and let me fly in peace as you do other pilots
considered "non-paying members"of the SAM club
Without keying my van , slashing my tires,or turning on a radio to shoot my planes down.
John,
Please take my advice and stop this nonsense. You have been expelled and are not welcome at the SAM site. If this does not make sense to you then please seek medical attention because you are not right. It is down right sad that you continue down this path of BS, lies and stupidity. I'm done!
Jimmy Skids
Herein is the problem Jimmy. You tell him to go get over it and you still tell him he is banned from flying at your site, even as a guest. There is no question who needs medical attention. There still has not been any explanation for "unsportsman like conduct". Especially since you guys threw out at least 3 people on this purported accusation. If you guys have races and john shows up, will he be able to race just like anyone else?
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RE: Civil Discourse
HOly Cow, I have read through this thread and cannot believe what I am reading. Can I have the copyrights to this tragedy? This is like death of a salesman goes R/C.
Here is what's funny. I have flown at SAM, though I am from Boston. I was allowed to fly while on a trip there last year. I met really nice people, at a really nice field that hoilds more events in a month than our club does all year and of similar club size.
What I absolutely cannot get over is that a person ejected/banned from a club of adult age is seemingly incapable of letting it go. there is a famous quote that says"i would never be a member of a group that would have me as a member". If this holds true than WHY would you want to be a member of group that DOESN'T want you. Also, there is no RIGHT to membership. Furhtermore if you are at a new club, why besmirch your name and look the petty fool to your new club-mates. What are they thinking of you at thgis point. Regardless of what they say to your face, they are thinking "Oh god why is he a member here?"
Please keep in miund I have no dog in this race and know noone in the thread personally. However, I can say that actions like this would prevent you from membership in my club.
Sorry dude, but you gotta grow up and walk away like a gentlemen, not be dragged away like a 4 year old having a tantrum.
SSRCCPREZ
Here is what's funny. I have flown at SAM, though I am from Boston. I was allowed to fly while on a trip there last year. I met really nice people, at a really nice field that hoilds more events in a month than our club does all year and of similar club size.
What I absolutely cannot get over is that a person ejected/banned from a club of adult age is seemingly incapable of letting it go. there is a famous quote that says"i would never be a member of a group that would have me as a member". If this holds true than WHY would you want to be a member of group that DOESN'T want you. Also, there is no RIGHT to membership. Furhtermore if you are at a new club, why besmirch your name and look the petty fool to your new club-mates. What are they thinking of you at thgis point. Regardless of what they say to your face, they are thinking "Oh god why is he a member here?"
Please keep in miund I have no dog in this race and know noone in the thread personally. However, I can say that actions like this would prevent you from membership in my club.
Sorry dude, but you gotta grow up and walk away like a gentlemen, not be dragged away like a 4 year old having a tantrum.
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RE: Civil Discourse
"What I absolutely cannot get over is that a person ejected/banned from a club of adult age is seemingly incapable of letting it go."
WELL
I guess the Colonists should have just let it go when they
were not being treated like every other member of the British empire,
that was our main "complaint" back then, was it not ...hence the revolutionary war...
The discussion here is WHY people were expelled?
what did they do as members or modelers that was so horrible????
What behaviour was SOOOOO bad as to go to the extreme as REMOVE A PILOTS ABILITY TO FLY at a field?
theres nothing about unsafe flying/consistant violation of AMA saftey rules...mentioned by MR skids........
Mr Smith and his supporters have not come up with anything.........
I can guarantee you if you dig into this
and start asking the tough questions, the justification
for a members termination , let alone three members in 4 months, is very, very, weak.
Hence the club losing the case in court. "The board of the Sacramento Area Modelers acted in bad faith"
There are no "founding fathers of the club on "MR skids side"...........That by itself should be a wake up call.
I'm sure the officers in the Gastopo of Nazi germany thought they were doing the right thing
"Protecting their Motherland" too, from any who would "defy" them.
Notice.. its not "A Club".......... its "thier" club..... a very "our turf" mentality show here.
The flying site is part of a public park............"they" have no right nor "authority"
to keep anyone out, although he/They think they do.
The "prez" missed the part about (John Casey) being in the other club
LONG BEFORE the SAM board attacked its own members.
I saw the Gang mentality forming at SAM a year before things went
"critical"...............years before any wrongful terminations started.
True Criminal actions came from the board
and its "minions".........not by any of the members
that were supposedly "TERMINATED" by the "club".
Please review your US amended civil rights........which by
the way gave me the right to behave the way I did.
WELL
I guess the Colonists should have just let it go when they
were not being treated like every other member of the British empire,
that was our main "complaint" back then, was it not ...hence the revolutionary war...
The discussion here is WHY people were expelled?
what did they do as members or modelers that was so horrible????
What behaviour was SOOOOO bad as to go to the extreme as REMOVE A PILOTS ABILITY TO FLY at a field?
theres nothing about unsafe flying/consistant violation of AMA saftey rules...mentioned by MR skids........
Mr Smith and his supporters have not come up with anything.........
I can guarantee you if you dig into this
and start asking the tough questions, the justification
for a members termination , let alone three members in 4 months, is very, very, weak.
Hence the club losing the case in court. "The board of the Sacramento Area Modelers acted in bad faith"
There are no "founding fathers of the club on "MR skids side"...........That by itself should be a wake up call.
I'm sure the officers in the Gastopo of Nazi germany thought they were doing the right thing
"Protecting their Motherland" too, from any who would "defy" them.
Notice.. its not "A Club".......... its "thier" club..... a very "our turf" mentality show here.
The flying site is part of a public park............"they" have no right nor "authority"
to keep anyone out, although he/They think they do.
The "prez" missed the part about (John Casey) being in the other club
LONG BEFORE the SAM board attacked its own members.
I saw the Gang mentality forming at SAM a year before things went
"critical"...............years before any wrongful terminations started.
True Criminal actions came from the board
and its "minions".........not by any of the members
that were supposedly "TERMINATED" by the "club".
Please review your US amended civil rights........which by
the way gave me the right to behave the way I did.
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RE: Civil Discourse
First off you have used the colonists and nazi germany as your reference.....ummm that's way out of the atmoshere. I think the colonists and the nazi's also hadmore than ONE PERSON complaining.
Second, you actually sued over this? LOSER GET A LIFE!!!
Third, do you think they just didn't like you because you are a whining little girl?
fourth, I eject you too if this thread is any indication of your overall behavior.
THEY DON'T LIKE YOU GET OVER IT GO FLY SOMEWHERE ELSE
STOP CRYING!!
By the way do you still live in your mom's basement? Just curiouse.
Second, you actually sued over this? LOSER GET A LIFE!!!
Third, do you think they just didn't like you because you are a whining little girl?
fourth, I eject you too if this thread is any indication of your overall behavior.
THEY DON'T LIKE YOU GET OVER IT GO FLY SOMEWHERE ELSE
STOP CRYING!!
By the way do you still live in your mom's basement? Just curiouse.
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RE: Civil Discourse
ORIGINAL: BUTCHIEBOY
THE GESTAPO HAS SPOKEN. HEIL JOHN CASEY! HEIL JOHN CASEY!
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT SSRCCPREZ-----------GET A LIFE JOHN, YOU LOSER.[>:][>:][>:]
THE GESTAPO HAS SPOKEN. HEIL JOHN CASEY! HEIL JOHN CASEY!
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT SSRCCPREZ-----------GET A LIFE JOHN, YOU LOSER.[>:][>:][>:]
Butchie, i think you got it wrong, its John C. that got hauled away by the GESTAPO.
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RE: Civil Discourse
ORIGINAL: SSRCCPREZ
First off you have used the colonists and nazi germany as your reference.....ummm that's way out of the atmoshere. I think the colonists and the nazi's also hadmore than ONE PERSON complaining.
Second, you actually sued over this? LOSER GET A LIFE!!!
Third, do you think they just didn't like you because you are a whining little girl?
fourth, I eject you too if this thread is any indication of your overall behavior.
THEY DON'T LIKE YOU GET OVER IT GO FLY SOMEWHERE ELSE
STOP CRYING!!
By the way do you still live in your mom's basement? Just curiouse.
First off you have used the colonists and nazi germany as your reference.....ummm that's way out of the atmoshere. I think the colonists and the nazi's also hadmore than ONE PERSON complaining.
Second, you actually sued over this? LOSER GET A LIFE!!!
Third, do you think they just didn't like you because you are a whining little girl?
fourth, I eject you too if this thread is any indication of your overall behavior.
THEY DON'T LIKE YOU GET OVER IT GO FLY SOMEWHERE ELSE
STOP CRYING!!
By the way do you still live in your mom's basement? Just curiouse.
How far Massachusetts has fallen. From the Birthplace of the nation and all its freedoms to The home of Senator Teddy Kennedy, the symbol of all thats wrong with america, and a killer of women.
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WAit a minute!!!! Do NOT compare me to a drunken womanizing murderer!!!
I do not live off mommy's money and my brother's legacy, thank you!!!
I am a self-made business owner. If you want to talk about how far one or state has fallen...ummm John Casey crying like a little girl...In Mass, he wouldn't be crying, he would be dealt with.
As for States...California the soon to be Mex-american capitol.
So please gimme a break and let's stay on topic. Are you coming to the defence of the cry baby or was the Mass comment your best shot?
I do not live off mommy's money and my brother's legacy, thank you!!!
I am a self-made business owner. If you want to talk about how far one or state has fallen...ummm John Casey crying like a little girl...In Mass, he wouldn't be crying, he would be dealt with.
As for States...California the soon to be Mex-american capitol.
So please gimme a break and let's stay on topic. Are you coming to the defence of the cry baby or was the Mass comment your best shot?
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Red, more true words have never been spoken.
I would actually like to see this turned into one of those claymation deathmatches that they used to do on MTV. Only I want to see John Casey Versus Horace Cain.
In this corner, whining and grumbling his way to an early grave and a potential stroke.....The One the Only.....John the whining post Casey.....(echo's echo's echo's)
And in this corner all the way from New Caney Texas, the master of disaster, the man with the plan, the guy that knows he has more on the ball than anyone (with less actual facts to prove it) Horace the Hitman (Hossfly) CAIN...(echo's echo's echo's)
I'd pay a dollar to see that.
Edited because I can't spell clay
I would actually like to see this turned into one of those claymation deathmatches that they used to do on MTV. Only I want to see John Casey Versus Horace Cain.
In this corner, whining and grumbling his way to an early grave and a potential stroke.....The One the Only.....John the whining post Casey.....(echo's echo's echo's)
And in this corner all the way from New Caney Texas, the master of disaster, the man with the plan, the guy that knows he has more on the ball than anyone (with less actual facts to prove it) Horace the Hitman (Hossfly) CAIN...(echo's echo's echo's)
I'd pay a dollar to see that.
Edited because I can't spell clay
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Well the AMA forum has done it again........Sunk to a NEW ALL TIME LOW.............My compliments. Please grow up and get outside and fly something. you'll feel better.
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I have a great sense of humor. Go back and read though this crap and tell me that this is the way you would want people to see us and our sport. Then we wonder why our numbers decrease and we lose flying sites.
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ORIGINAL: SSRCCPREZ
WAit a minute!!!! Do NOT compare me to a drunken womanizing murderer!!!
I do not live off mommy's money and my brother's legacy, thank you!!!
I am a self-made business owner. If you want to talk about how far one or state has fallen...ummm John Casey crying like a little girl...In Mass, he wouldn't be crying, he would be dealt with.
As for States...California the soon to be Mex-american capitol.
So please gimme a break and let's stay on topic. Are you coming to the defence of the cry baby or was the Mass comment your best shot?
WAit a minute!!!! Do NOT compare me to a drunken womanizing murderer!!!
I do not live off mommy's money and my brother's legacy, thank you!!!
I am a self-made business owner. If you want to talk about how far one or state has fallen...ummm John Casey crying like a little girl...In Mass, he wouldn't be crying, he would be dealt with.
As for States...California the soon to be Mex-american capitol.
So please gimme a break and let's stay on topic. Are you coming to the defence of the cry baby or was the Mass comment your best shot?
SSRCCPREZ, Don't take it personal, but my point is and was that John has just as much right to cry foul as you think the SAM's club or even your club has to throw people out. If you want to trumpet collective rights i guess i can live with it, but our country was built on the rights of the individual. Lost in this lynch mob is the outcry against the hideous 'Black Booted' behavior of the SAM's board. John Brown was hanged for trying to free the slaves at Harpers Ferry. His death galvanized the North against slavery. It took time but freedom came. The Sam's club can throw out members, but they have to live with the consequences of their jack booted behavior, this is part of it.
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Red, more true words have never been spoken.
I would actually like to see this turned into one of those claymation deathmatches that they used to do on MTV. Only I want to see John Casey Versus Horace Cain.
In this corner, whining and grumbling his way to an early grave and a potential stroke.....The One the Only.....John the whining post Casey.....(echo's echo's echo's)
And in this corner all the way from New Caney Texas, the master of disaster, the man with the plan, the guy that knows he has more on the ball than anyone (with less actual facts to prove it) Horace the Hitman (Hossfly) CAIN...(echo's echo's echo's)
I'd pay a dollar to see that.
Edited because I can't spell clay
Red, more true words have never been spoken.
I would actually like to see this turned into one of those claymation deathmatches that they used to do on MTV. Only I want to see John Casey Versus Horace Cain.
In this corner, whining and grumbling his way to an early grave and a potential stroke.....The One the Only.....John the whining post Casey.....(echo's echo's echo's)
And in this corner all the way from New Caney Texas, the master of disaster, the man with the plan, the guy that knows he has more on the ball than anyone (with less actual facts to prove it) Horace the Hitman (Hossfly) CAIN...(echo's echo's echo's)
I'd pay a dollar to see that.
Edited because I can't spell clay
I would pay to see that!
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There once was a Senator from Mass.
Who went out in search of some ///.
He lucked up and found it.
Messed up and drowned it.
And thast was the end of his ///.
Who went out in search of some ///.
He lucked up and found it.
Messed up and drowned it.
And thast was the end of his ///.
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No you don't, you finally pick this as the entire threads downfall? You clearly have not read the thread if thats the case.
Secondly, This is not the way people see us and our sport, its the way people see John Casey and his sad sickness.
This is goodfin around and you can go to any "specialty" site and see more of the same garbage. Do I like it? Hell no, but the fact is it is posted. I am merely trying to make light of a deranged individuals attempt to grasp at whatever straws he feels he has left.
So again, for the record, lighten up Mr. Poopy pants.
Secondly, This is not the way people see us and our sport, its the way people see John Casey and his sad sickness.
This is goodfin around and you can go to any "specialty" site and see more of the same garbage. Do I like it? Hell no, but the fact is it is posted. I am merely trying to make light of a deranged individuals attempt to grasp at whatever straws he feels he has left.
So again, for the record, lighten up Mr. Poopy pants.
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"No you don't, you finally pick this as the entire threads downfall? You clearly have not read the thread if that's the case.
Secondly, This is not the way people see us and our sport, its the way people see John Casey and his sad sickness. "
I have read the whole thing and have made several posts. This is the only forum where some not all post this kinda BS. If one was looking for info on the AMA (God Forbid) they just might show up here. Name me one other forum on RCU where this stuff goes on. Like it or not this is how people see us.
Secondly, This is not the way people see us and our sport, its the way people see John Casey and his sad sickness. "
I have read the whole thing and have made several posts. This is the only forum where some not all post this kinda BS. If one was looking for info on the AMA (God Forbid) they just might show up here. Name me one other forum on RCU where this stuff goes on. Like it or not this is how people see us.