Maybe we could hire Delorean to work a bail out of our sinking magazine.
He almost pulled it off last time he tried something like that.... almost.

Or have MA start selling Old DeWalt batts.

Getting back on subject: RE: What changes at the AMA are DESPERATELY needed?

Perhaps they could be a bit more selective in accepting membership applications. Higher standards for acceptance to most academies brings in those wanting to enhance that academies achievement of higher goals.

Mode One, YOU asked a question. It was avoided, then you repeated the question. Your question has been answered, discussed and cussed for the past several years in this forum including threads that you have posted in. Yet you are here asking again and again.
I previously proposed a little financial quizz thread that no one could/would answer, with the answers plainly printed in the Nov. 07 MA. Your question concerning AMA fiscal policies fully denies that you read Holland's articles and he is the EVP, Chief Financial Officer, of AMA, yet you question those items posted herein by others, and you report that you like to read MA!

Now tell me the relationship between a certain Bishop, a specific college president, and the first man-carrying flights. [8D]

So, I guess when I see that Hoss has posted a little test for people who frequent this forum, I'm supposed to think this test is so important that I'm to drop what I'm doing, get out MA and see if I can answer the questions you've felt needing answering? Given your overly pleasent disposition, why would I play into this? Also, why should I think your opinion is that important?

However, you're right about my question about MA's situation having been asked and answered. So, Hoss, please forget I asked it!

Horrace,

You need to go back to the thread, where you posted your quiz. If you check, you will find that the answers were posted in the same order in which they were posted. That is unless you have changed my name to Nobody.

Who urinated in your breakfast cereal this morning? You are not normally this cranky. Rev down just a tad, you are pulling too much manifold pressure. You will burn a piston if you are not carefull.

Bill, AMA 4720

Father, Sister, brothers.

Bill, AMA 4720

I read someplace that the Bishop was the Wright brothers' father. The college president predicted that someday there would be manned flight. The Bishop told him it was impossible.

Good show Jim; you either read publications from Dr. Dennison, Dallas, TX or Doug Holland's column in MA.

Either way, Good job.

SORREEE Stick. CSI Miami may look at you with some suspicion.[:-] My post #18, 11-3 in pm, gave the page where the answers could be found. Your post was dated 11/4 AM and was #21.

Using my best Sherlocking, I therefore deduced that you simply posted the answers to provide them to others and confirm they were in the magazine that so many seem to cherrish.

Take an extra Altace in the AM with your baby aspirin.

I just only try to attain knowledge on just how much those that love the AMA/MA operation do actually read it. Heck, I like the magazine also, however I hate the harm it has done to the AMA relationship with the other modeling media because of AMA's operation with MA. Kind of like unlimited welfare to unlimited recipients -- just who has to pay the tally? It's not those establishing the programs! [:@]

I think if the AMA wants more members, it has to offer something for people that don't want a magazine or insurance, and don't need a flying club to fly. I fly with a group of people that have very limited budgets. Most of the new guys are up and flying for 200.00 or less. (GWS pico moth and dream starter) Then move up to Speed 400 wings. These guys are not going to fork over 50.00 a year. I know you don't want to break your membership up into a menued fee structure, but I don't want to pay 50.00 a year. I would be willing to do 20.00 for a limited membership without the magazine or insurance.

Dang, ask and you shall receive. Just noticed the banner at the botttom of the page! Think I'll check it out.

Must be the 3 mo. membership. whats that good for?

Hate the harm? MA is not a commercial magazine Hoss, it's a membership based circulation subsidized by advertisers and us. NFP's do not get all the perks and bennies that commercial "for profits" get, especilly the fact they don't get to take profits to their personal piggy banks. This means they have to do WHATEVER it takes to stay in business no matter if it harms commercial companies or not, it's not their problem or responsibility.

The AMA serves the members, period. This is how all not for profits operate. One hand helps the other but only 1 can take profits home for a job well done. I do find it interesting however, that you want to bring MA out into the commerical channels and really compete on the newsstands in addition to the membership, interesting.

And don't forget the fact the MA is the most expensive RC rag to advertise your business. Have you ever made a single call to any of the other magazines and asked for ACTUAL advertising prices before or are you still encapsulated by the rate card??? Here is a test for you, call each magazine and get a price on a full page color ad and see who comes back the most expensive. Pretend like you have money in YOUR wallet on the line when you make the call.

I respect you Hoss, but this time I'm really surprised. How could you posibly want to lead the AMA with this kind of outlook?

Dion-

Tell the IRS that AMA only serves the members. Tell them that's how all NFPs operate, too.

Abel

Per Hoss: "Your question concerning AMA fiscal policies fully denies that you read Holland's articles and he is the EVP, Chief Financial Officer, of AMA, yet you question those items posted herein by others, and you report that you like to read MA"!

Absolutly correct Hoss, I haven't been reading this column. I enjoy the model aviation aspect of Model Aviation! However, now I have been totally embarrassed by the TEACHER, my tail is between my legs and I will start reading this column tonight!

Thanks, Dion, as you have given me an idea that I may or may not follow through with as I really am out of the bussinees now.

One thing however, if I do follow up on this idea, you can bet one thing and that is I will NOT lie/pretend to those I obtain information from. In my early years, lying was rather frowned upon and I have not yet even wanted to learn differently. I leave that to you yankees and politicians. [>:]

Sorry Abel, I meant membership based NFP's, thanks for the oversight. The irony is literally dripping ...

Sorry, Mode One that you must get so Up-Tight about our disagreement. OTOH you posted this statement: Emphasis added:
Several years ago, I was the first to ever bring this subject to the forum. Since then a number of people have researched the Audit Reports and have seen for themselves that the "loss" of this AMA wholly-owned IRC 501 (c) (3) Unrelated Business is definitely a fact. The MA operation loses money each year, not only directly, but in reality hides indirect expense. AMA uses the legal method of hiding MA-Staff expense within the overall AMA Staff expenses, which might, to the layman's eye, cover the total loss via accounting which isn't all that creative.

Now, Mode One, you come and question that loss. You say this loss could be a "conjur". Well fellow, look it up!
Being a man of the Mid-West, you know what can happen to those that jump on the wrong hoss! [X(] If you get 'hung' you can bet that it is not some manly complement. [sm=thumbs_down.gif]

Legally hide?? How does one legally hide from paying taxes without doing it flat out illegally? But at least you uncovered in your pursuit to defame the AMA's operation, at the very least, act ethically and most importantly legally. Most businesses I know of both NFP or FP do whatever it takes and what the law allows not to have to pay more taxes than neccessary, that's the name of the game. I really think your beef is with the lawmakers Hoss, not the AMA, but from the sound of your anger you may have already made those phone calls.

Also if you don't mind, can you also explain to me if the NRB buried the salaries of the staff into the operating costs of magazine, how does that expense to the magazine cover a loss if it's an expense? Wouldn't that be a greater loss to the operating costs of the magazine? You do realize businesses only pay taxes on net profits not gross revenues, don't you? Our rates or costs won't go up and even the potential tax burden on the NRB would reduced. But if you did move the AMA staff into the NRB's cost, the only thing that would go up is the accounting costs and time for payroll.

I'm just wondering, you can call me an idiot, Yankee Doodle or whatever else you like to call me in your explanation, I won't mind, I just would like to understand your rationality a little better. Let's try to have a discussion on this matter if you can.

Let's see if I remember correctly Hoss you were running for Prez not long ago. I think that makes you a politician also. HMMMMMMMMMM.

Hoss,
The statement about my being embarrassed in my last post was said tung-in-cheek. I'm not embarrassed about being more interested in the model aviation part of the magazine then the finances. Not being a polititician, it's not as important to me. However, I did read Holland's article in three MA's last evening, none of which showed P&L for the magazine. Not saying it's not shown, just haven't come across it yet. I wonder why, with your interests in being a political entity in the AMA, your communications with most other individuals on this forum comes across so caustic? It's sure a different way of attempting to get people to vote for you, good luck with that!

EXACTLY rofl.

Candidate: " ....one that aspires to or is nominated or qualified for an office, membership, or award."

A Candidate -Yes. I offer my FREE services as a very experienced AMA person with a goal to make the Academy, its membership, and the modeling environment a better place for the sport of model aviation and the membership the Academy is supposed to represent and serve. I call a spade a spade. If one cannot accept such, as they have so done, then those are the losers, and I don't have to use my remaining earthly time providing the offered services.

Politician: "....a person primarily interested in political office for selfish or other narrow usually short-sighted reasons."

Sorry, I am NOT qualified for the position of "Politician."

Well Hoss seems to me by your ever present posts that you are very political minded. And in running for an office of the AMA such as the pesidency makes you very much a politican. But that you do not consider yourself only goes to show just how much a politican you really are. Now that being what it may you have called them and Yankees liars and such. To me that is a true politican (they are but i am not). You can do all the quoting you want does not change anything other than prove that us non politicans are correct in our assumptions. As stated good luck with that lol.

Really, what is your motive for wanting to scrap the magazine if you can't squeeze more ad dollars out of the advertisers? From what official AMA pollings state, most members seem to be sound as a pound. You were looking to serve the mebers in this regard, or was this for personal resons? Funny but all 3 other official candidates all share their same vision on where the magazine is going, or should I say staying.

Also Hoss you forgot some other definitions of politician from other dictionaries, like ... an elected official, a leader engaged in civil administration, a person who holds a political office, any person influencing group opinions. Oh and of course your description, which sounds very familiar to some of these forum rants.

So how could you not believe what you were trying to acheive is not a politcal seat? I think the other 3 politicians figured it out that politics doesn't end at just Republican and Democrat.