Ira, a radio controlled airplane becomes UAV if you are flying it commercially, for hire, or compensation. I'm willing to bet any dollar amount which you can match. No amount too large. Which does include for demonstration purposes, just like compensated airshow pilots.

Oh and that also includes flying for the intention of being paid. For those of you who think you get by that little loophole. No, the FAA is not that stupid.

And if you're wondering how we are going to confirm the answer, don't worry, I have that covered. It won't be in the form of a document, cause obviously official FAA documents aren't enough.

PayPal accepted!

How could anyone trust, "I have that covered." when the author cannot separate the addressed person, "Ira", from the (in reply to XXXX) portion of the post?

Pretty slick, isn't he? LMAO



Ronnie

STL

Today i received a call back from the local FAA flight standards office and they told
me quote Model air planes do not in anyway fall under FAA FAR regulations
and to receive compensation in connection with operating a model does not
cause you to be in a commerical catgory. I might add the OP in this thread said
nothing about the FAA anyway he was concearned about the AMA ins not covering
him for flying at a air show if he accepted money and that he had to go in his own pocket for exspenses. As it turns out you can accept money for exspenses and be covered but
you are not supposed to turn a profit, however if one was to receive a tip or something
along that line I doubt anyone would know or even care.

Lets see what he's got to say to that. I'm sure he'll probably tell ya the FAA is wrong an he is right...LMAO


Ronnie

Also the thought has occured to me that if the FAA was to start to regulate models
we that are AMA members would be among the first to know, im not going to worry
about any FAA rules unless they contact me

We probably can slap drop tanks on a .91 floater & with a pair of good binoculars fly around at FL181 all day... cause we are not regulated by Tital 14 of the CFRs.

or does that seem just plain illegal incursion to controlled airspace?
Being a recreational model doesnt let you just pop above FL180 at your liesure, the feds (FAA) will come knocking and not in the "We brought you a fruit basket" way.

If you want to call the FAA to get blessings,
tell them you are gonna break ClassA in 20mins and they cant do anything to stop you, and then give them the field you are at address. Remind them they dont regulate models, so the ClassA regulations in CFR T14 cant apply to you, I'm sure they will love the irony.

Go ahead, We'll wait.
Call the tthe FAA & threaten to break FL180, and see if they say they dont care what you do with your toys.

Well I can see you found an FAA rep that didn't know his head from a hole in the ground. But to say a model airplane never falls under FAA regs, is absurd. Why do you think they wrote the UAS 400 in the first place?

Stick an autonomous flight system on it and see how quickly your breaking regs, which are not found in the FAR. Even Kidepoxy above made a point about flying at FL180 or class A. I'm also pretty sure they won't like your model airplane flying in class B or class D for that matter. There are PLENTY of ways of making a model airplane fall under the FAA rules, regs and policies, including flying it for commercial operations.

And also I know it does not fall under the FAR. It falls under FAA Interim policy. The FAR is regulation, UAS policy sometimes becomes regulation, but is still recognized.

Shame you didn't take that bet, but tell you what, lets do it again and if you think you're sure about what your found out, then I'll do it again, but you'll give me 2:1 odds. Should a be no brainer for you, right? Next time your source will be coming from an office in Washington DC, not some local schlep.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.....



Ronnie

Done

It is obvious that some of you want fall under FAA reg and that is fine with me if you
want to. I will repeat again what i said at first and that is the FAA does not care about
model planes in general as long as there is no conflict with full scale planes.

Also I will say it again i dont need to contact the FAA and tell them anything that for
one would be just stupid which im not, also if the FAA ever desides to regulate
models im sure they will contact the AMA to get the word out untill then im not
going to worry about the FAA.

Next thing they'll be saying is if you have a kite with more than 400ft vertical string out that it also falls under faa rules. LMAO


Ronnie

Ronnie

I have to agree with you, although the FAA didnt say why they dont regulate models
but I would assume its because they have no way to keep track of all the model planes
and the people who fly them. So unless you do something to get the FAA's attention
then they have no way to know what you are doing be it putting a auto pilot in a
model or someone giveing you a few bucks for a demo flight or someone paying
you to to teach them to fly models.

As a matter of fact anything over 500' falls under FAR regulations for ANY kite or ANY tethered balloon.

Ignorance is bliss.

http://rgl.faa.gov/REGULATORY_AND_GU...9?OpenDocument

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After looking at your spelling of stupid awhile back I'd say you are "blissed" LOL

Ronnie

You gotta admit tho Ronnie you have to feel pretty silly now knowing that the FAA does in fact regulate kite flying after you made the comment. It's like you wanted to set yourself up for it. LOL

DION, YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE. I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THE PARK PILOTS SHOULD HAVE TO PAY TO BE ABLE TO USE THE EXISTING FIELDS. NOT SOME SPUN WAIT AND SEE ABOUT THE DEMAND, BUT HOW MUCH CASH IF IT WERE HAPPENING TODAY. YOU RUN AWAY FROM EVERY THREAD WHERE SOMEONE HOLDS YOUR FEET TO THE FIRE. IT WON'T GO AWAY. TELL US, HOW MUCH?

BILL, AMA 4720

I did that in caps so you can't claim that you didn't see it.

I told you Bill, I don't care what you charge. It's not my field, I'll never fly there. You charge what you think you can get. But you've already informed us that you club is on a waiting list ... so what's the point of giving you an answer which you can't use anyway? You're looking to give yourself a rise from my expense, so just keep tapping that keyboard.

But remember and I think I told you 20 times now, the AMA designed the program so that there won't ever be a question on what you'll have to charge because Park Pilots don't need to depend on you or your field to organize and fly their planes any more. Park Pilots now have their own program, own price, own magazine and HOPEFULLY their own attitude.

Dion, Dion, Dion,

What are we to do with you? Do you still not understand the question? I want to know how much that YOU PERSONALLY, think that we should charge for you to fly with us. Now what is so difficult about you answering that simple question? IT"S PINNING DOWN TIME!!

Bill, AMA 4720

OK Bill, I'll play I've got an hour or so to kill.

I need to get some data first. Who owns the land where your club resides. Hoss says many clubs own their own land. Personally I know of 1 club that owns there own land. But then again, NY ain't exactly Texas.

Dion,

Just answer the question. The ownership matters not. Do you have to put spin on everything? Guys, this is what you are dealing with here. Dances around questions, and no answer. EVER! The club owns the field outright. No lein, no lease no nothing. One of the other clubs does lease the property and has a 10 year lease on it.

Bill, AMA 4720

This thread went way off topic very quickly. There was issues from another thread brought here to this thread. This is totally not going to be allowed. Please keep the threads on topic for that thread. If you want to discuss issues from other threads then please return to the other thread to discuss the issues.

Ken

Meanwhile, back at the AMA & Gatting paid to fly-

I'm sticking with getting the right outside insurance for it & passing those costs on to the hirers. Dont try to play games with redefining the compensation as reimbursement or demonstrations as "Flight Instruction", bite the bullet & go legit all the way including Hobby As A Business stuff with UncleSam


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Hoss-
maybe you are right,
we probably should use a 10" reflector telescope rather than binoc's for flying that high, and a Spotter copilot... and I cant stress enough how important high vivsibility color scheme is for this kind of flying
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I was browsing through the literature that came with my AMA card and I happen to
notice the statment about coverage, it states AMA coverage applies anytime and
anywhere in bold and goes on to say it even applies to public demonstrations and
air shows. With language like that IMO it would be easy for one to assume that
it would be ok to receive payment even beyond reimbursement to fly at a airshow.

I know if you read the entire insurance coverage it says otherwise but how many will
read the entire thing. I think they should make somthing that importaint known up front.

Just my .02