Park Pilot Volunteers Needed
01-28-2008 | 09:56 AM
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K3 valley,
. If the city wants to offer another flying site to the PPP'rs, then that's the city's right too. We'd just need to set up a frequency sharing agreement, which is no different than the way it's always been.
K3 valley,
. If the city wants to offer another flying site to the PPP'rs, then that's the city's right too. We'd just need to set up a frequency sharing agreement, which is no different than the way it's always been.
01-28-2008 | 10:02 AM
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Sorry P-51B, but the AMA already does this. They descriminate against the turbin flyers. Make weight limits on other aircraft.
This is an opportunity for AMA clubs to really reach out and get new members for the future and strengthen AMA. Don't miss this opportunity. Yesterday at our field of 18 members, a full 40% were flying electrics. I for the life of me don't understand the mentality that divides us as a group. Man of you say that the ppp program divides us, well the neccessity of the program is there because the established order in many flying clubs have already decided they don't want them at their field. Thus the continual hostility toward them in these forums.
Now, the PPP is started which gives special status to a particular group. A group that by definition in the information DISCRIMATES against a plane of the same size and speed but with a glow engine attached. Its not the glow/gas guys that are discriminating against the electric it is the other way around.
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This is an opportunity for AMA clubs to really reach out and get new members for the future and strengthen AMA. Don't miss this opportunity. Yesterday at our field of 18 members, a full 40% were flying electrics. I for the life of me don't understand the mentality that divides us as a group. Man of you say that the ppp program divides us, well the neccessity of the program is there because the established order in many flying clubs have already decided they don't want them at their field. Thus the continual hostility toward them in these forums.
I happen to fly electric, glow, and gas so I also wonder about the mentality that divides the group, I wonder more about the mentality of those who come up with programs designed to promote divisiveness and try to sell it to us as a good thing.
Your examples of the AMA already discriminating is not valid. The limits they place on weight apply to ALL members regardless of engine/motor type. The jet situation does not discriminate against anyone. It simply says you must get some additional training since jets can catch on fire when they hit things. I suppose a LiPO waiver program should be added to make that part level.
01-28-2008 | 10:05 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Volunteers Needed
It will be interesting to see where this program is a year from now.
What I find interesting is the AMA, Academy of MODEL Aeronautics is pursuing people whose activities have nothing to do with modeling.
Going to Wall Mart, plunking down $30 for a foamy and trying to fly it is in no stretch of the imagination "modeling". I would think that AMA should devote time to promoting real modeling activities instead of PF. However there have been plenty of discussions about PF that evidently fell on deaf ears at HQ.
I am wondering how the clubs are going to handle PF's when it comes to dues. They don't seem to be able to afford $58 for AMA dues, hence the reduced rate, then how are they going to afford $50-$100 club dues. My guess is they'll want a reduction in that too, just like the AMA dues.
The other thing is how AMA is going to handle someone flying on PF ticket crashing a non PF. You know that someone is going to drop their AMA membership and get a PF ticket just to save a couple of bucks. If he crashes and a claim is filed, who gets left holding the bag?
My gut feeling is the club, but we'll see.
With the new officers in place the next year is going to be interesting to see what direction the AMA is headed.
BRG,
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What I find interesting is the AMA, Academy of MODEL Aeronautics is pursuing people whose activities have nothing to do with modeling.
Going to Wall Mart, plunking down $30 for a foamy and trying to fly it is in no stretch of the imagination "modeling". I would think that AMA should devote time to promoting real modeling activities instead of PF. However there have been plenty of discussions about PF that evidently fell on deaf ears at HQ.
I am wondering how the clubs are going to handle PF's when it comes to dues. They don't seem to be able to afford $58 for AMA dues, hence the reduced rate, then how are they going to afford $50-$100 club dues. My guess is they'll want a reduction in that too, just like the AMA dues.
The other thing is how AMA is going to handle someone flying on PF ticket crashing a non PF. You know that someone is going to drop their AMA membership and get a PF ticket just to save a couple of bucks. If he crashes and a claim is filed, who gets left holding the bag?
My gut feeling is the club, but we'll see.
With the new officers in place the next year is going to be interesting to see what direction the AMA is headed.
BRG,
Jon
01-28-2008 | 10:05 AM
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No you wouldn't. The AMA cannot give a charter to the new club if they are within the three mile limit unless they get a frequency agreement. There is nothing that says you, as the existing club, must give it to them.
Or the club can deicde they might want to share.
01-28-2008 | 10:50 AM
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Just wondering... how this example would/should be handled? I see some issue with telling an enthusiastic PPP ticket holder that before they can fly their new Avistar they will need to re-join the AMA at the higher tier level. We already know AMA has some issue with prorating...how are tier upgrades going to be handled? If they, the PP holder, chose to upgrade, is the next tier just as if they are new open member and pay full tilt? Seems awkward or not fair anyway I look at it...either way for the upgrading PPP, to have or not have a truly prorated membership upgrade in light of thier exsisting membership and also with respect to how entirely new open members have to endure the current goofy prorating methods.
It seems the only fair thing to do would be for the AMA to scrap the current membership prorating scheme in favor of a genuine prorating method as a means to level the playing field.
Just a thought.
Has AMA thought about this also?
Just wondering... how this example would/should be handled? I see some issue with telling an enthusiastic PPP ticket holder that before they can fly their new Avistar they will need to re-join the AMA at the higher tier level. We already know AMA has some issue with prorating...how are tier upgrades going to be handled? If they, the PP holder, chose to upgrade, is the next tier just as if they are new open member and pay full tilt? Seems awkward or not fair anyway I look at it...either way for the upgrading PPP, to have or not have a truly prorated membership upgrade in light of thier exsisting membership and also with respect to how entirely new open members have to endure the current goofy prorating methods.
It seems the only fair thing to do would be for the AMA to scrap the current membership prorating scheme in favor of a genuine prorating method as a means to level the playing field.
Just a thought.
Has AMA thought about this also?
I called and asked about this when the PPP first came out. The PPP would simply call the AMA and tell them they would like to upgrade to Open membership. It's just that easy. As to telling a PPP member he shouldn't fly a 3 lb airplane under his PPP membership, well that's easy also. Simply tell him the limitations of the PPP. I'm sure he'll understand. 99.9% of the aeromodelers I ever met have been the nicest guys you ever want to meet.
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01-28-2008 | 10:58 AM
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RE: Park Pilot Volunteers Needed
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Frank, this argument has been going on since the very first few minute that Joyce Hager emailed the PPP proposal. There have been countless threads and discussions on this forum and you've just hooked into yet another PPP opposition member. I for one can only see success in it's ability to grow the AMA in all fashions and applaud you and the AMA for it's existence, and now ... growth. I've never opposed, like you, it's clear to see it's potential.
Good luck in your endeavors. But if I were you, don't look here for you're help, unless your looking for contention to be included in the deal. Send out a mass mailing to the AMA and have those 99% of AMA members that don't post here, get you there. But I'm sure you'll get you're help and then some.
Frank, this argument has been going on since the very first few minute that Joyce Hager emailed the PPP proposal. There have been countless threads and discussions on this forum and you've just hooked into yet another PPP opposition member. I for one can only see success in it's ability to grow the AMA in all fashions and applaud you and the AMA for it's existence, and now ... growth. I've never opposed, like you, it's clear to see it's potential.
Good luck in your endeavors. But if I were you, don't look here for you're help, unless your looking for contention to be included in the deal. Send out a mass mailing to the AMA and have those 99% of AMA members that don't post here, get you there. But I'm sure you'll get you're help and then some.
I hear ya STL and I know there are a lot of folks that hate everything. The problem is that folks read these forums and get a lot of info from here. RCU just happens to have a lot of bad apples in the mix. I'm willing to wade through some turds to get the chance to help out new pilots in our hobby. I know it can be difficult, we need to get the word out to the experienced pilots, which isn't that hard, but also to the new pilots. That's the tough part here. I had a thread started in the Beginner's Forum explaining there is help available and linked the PP Partner search page but it was deleted.
So my question is, how do we get the word out to those beginner pilots that they have help and it's only an email away?
Frank
01-28-2008 | 11:02 AM
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VA Frank,
I think LCS didnt mean to ask if a PPP upgrading to Open would be difficult,
I think he was asking what would they pay... since his post was full of the word Prorated all over it.
Would the PPP that makes that easy call pay just the $28 extra to go from $29.95 to $58
or do they make that easy call & pay another $58,
... which if done in their first year would be $58 followed by a Prorate in year 2 for year 1 join date... er, Upgrade date... um... some date in year 1
Easy, sure... simple, not so much
<edit: too many taht teh & joinedwords >
I think LCS didnt mean to ask if a PPP upgrading to Open would be difficult,
I think he was asking what would they pay... since his post was full of the word Prorated all over it.
Would the PPP that makes that easy call pay just the $28 extra to go from $29.95 to $58
or do they make that easy call & pay another $58,
... which if done in their first year would be $58 followed by a Prorate in year 2 for year 1 join date... er, Upgrade date... um... some date in year 1
Easy, sure... simple, not so much
<edit: too many taht teh & joinedwords >
01-28-2008 | 11:06 AM
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ORIGINAL: P-51B
I happen to fly electric, glow, and gas so I also wonder about the mentality that divides the group, I wonder more about the mentality of those who come up with programs designed to promote divisiveness and try to sell it to us as a good thing.
Your examples of the AMA already discriminating is not valid. The limits they place on weight apply to ALL members regardless of engine/motor type. The jet situation does not discriminate against anyone. It simply says you must get some additional training since jets can catch on fire when they hit things. I suppose a LiPO waiver program should be added to make that part level.
I happen to fly electric, glow, and gas so I also wonder about the mentality that divides the group, I wonder more about the mentality of those who come up with programs designed to promote divisiveness and try to sell it to us as a good thing.
Your examples of the AMA already discriminating is not valid. The limits they place on weight apply to ALL members regardless of engine/motor type. The jet situation does not discriminate against anyone. It simply says you must get some additional training since jets can catch on fire when they hit things. I suppose a LiPO waiver program should be added to make that part level.
Frank
01-28-2008 | 11:10 AM
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It will be interesting to see where this program is a year from now.
What I find interesting is the AMA, Academy of MODEL Aeronautics is pursuing people whose activities have nothing to do with modeling.
Going to Wall Mart, plunking down $30 for a foamy and trying to fly it is in no stretch of the imagination "modeling". I would think that AMA should devote time to promoting real modeling activities instead of PF. However there have been plenty of discussions about PF that evidently fell on deaf ears at HQ.
I am wondering how the clubs are going to handle PF's when it comes to dues. They don't seem to be able to afford $58 for AMA dues, hence the reduced rate, then how are they going to afford $50-$100 club dues. My guess is they'll want a reduction in that too, just like the AMA dues.
The other thing is how AMA is going to handle someone flying on PF ticket crashing a non PF. You know that someone is going to drop their AMA membership and get a PF ticket just to save a couple of bucks. If he crashes and a claim is filed, who gets left holding the bag?
My gut feeling is the club, but we'll see.
With the new officers in place the next year is going to be interesting to see what direction the AMA is headed.
BRG,
Jon
It will be interesting to see where this program is a year from now.
What I find interesting is the AMA, Academy of MODEL Aeronautics is pursuing people whose activities have nothing to do with modeling.
Going to Wall Mart, plunking down $30 for a foamy and trying to fly it is in no stretch of the imagination "modeling". I would think that AMA should devote time to promoting real modeling activities instead of PF. However there have been plenty of discussions about PF that evidently fell on deaf ears at HQ.
I am wondering how the clubs are going to handle PF's when it comes to dues. They don't seem to be able to afford $58 for AMA dues, hence the reduced rate, then how are they going to afford $50-$100 club dues. My guess is they'll want a reduction in that too, just like the AMA dues.
The other thing is how AMA is going to handle someone flying on PF ticket crashing a non PF. You know that someone is going to drop their AMA membership and get a PF ticket just to save a couple of bucks. If he crashes and a claim is filed, who gets left holding the bag?
My gut feeling is the club, but we'll see.
With the new officers in place the next year is going to be interesting to see what direction the AMA is headed.
BRG,
Jon
Check out this month's MA magazine and this link: http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx#site it will help you understand more about the intent of the PPP.
I agree, I wish I could fast forward two years and see how this all plays out. I do say the success or failure of the PPP rests squarely on the shoulders of you and me.
Frank
01-28-2008 | 11:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: VA Flier
It's about "Promoting Flying First" nothing else. It's not discrimination, it's about allowing folks join the AMA at a reduced cost with limited benefits, but yet enjoying many of the benefits an Open member gets. Sure, you can nitpick anything into a negative outcome. The best way to look at it is how this can work and how it will help our hobby as a whole.
Frank
ORIGINAL: P-51B
I happen to fly electric, glow, and gas so I also wonder about the mentality that divides the group, I wonder more about the mentality of those who come up with programs designed to promote divisiveness and try to sell it to us as a good thing.
Your examples of the AMA already discriminating is not valid. The limits they place on weight apply to ALL members regardless of engine/motor type. The jet situation does not discriminate against anyone. It simply says you must get some additional training since jets can catch on fire when they hit things. I suppose a LiPO waiver program should be added to make that part level.
I happen to fly electric, glow, and gas so I also wonder about the mentality that divides the group, I wonder more about the mentality of those who come up with programs designed to promote divisiveness and try to sell it to us as a good thing.
Your examples of the AMA already discriminating is not valid. The limits they place on weight apply to ALL members regardless of engine/motor type. The jet situation does not discriminate against anyone. It simply says you must get some additional training since jets can catch on fire when they hit things. I suppose a LiPO waiver program should be added to make that part level.
Frank
Thats just it. It doesn't help the hobby as a whole and it doesn't promote flying first. It promotes special benefits to a particular class. You can try to spin it however you want, but it is a divisive system that appears designed to lead to a tiered AMA dues structure...even more divisive.
01-28-2008 | 11:12 AM
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[quote][I'm willing to wade through some turds/quote]
I see you are now stooping down to stl's level now. I guess I can resort back to my younger days an remember that old saying, "That it takes one to know one"
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I see you are now stooping down to stl's level now. I guess I can resort back to my younger days an remember that old saying, "That it takes one to know one"
Ron
01-28-2008 | 11:14 AM
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VA Frank,
I think LCS didnt mean to ask if a PPP upgrading to Open would be difficult,
I think he was asking what would they pay... since his post was full of the word Prorated all over it.
Would the PPP that makes that easy call pay just the $28 extra to go from $29.95 to $58
or do they make that easy call & pay another $58,
... which if done in their first year would be $58 followed by a Prorate in year 2 for year 1 join date... er, Upgrade date... um... some date in year 1
Easy, sure... simple, not so much
VA Frank,
I think LCS didnt mean to ask if a PPP upgrading to Open would be difficult,
I think he was asking what would they pay... since his post was full of the word Prorated all over it.
Would the PPP that makes that easy call pay just the $28 extra to go from $29.95 to $58
or do they make that easy call & pay another $58,
... which if done in their first year would be $58 followed by a Prorate in year 2 for year 1 join date... er, Upgrade date... um... some date in year 1
Easy, sure... simple, not so much
Frank
01-28-2008 | 11:15 AM
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I see you are now stooping down to stl's level now. I guess I can resort back to my younger days an remember that old saying, "That it takes one to know one"
Ron
I see you are now stooping down to stl's level now. I guess I can resort back to my younger days an remember that old saying, "That it takes one to know one"
Ron
Don't let your feelings get so eaily hurt my friend. Sticks and stones may hurt me...
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01-28-2008 | 11:18 AM
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The ama is in it for the $, nothing else. They see all of these new PF'ers out there an figure they might as well get as much out of this new group as they can. If 1 person joins it, thats $30 more than they had.
We took a vote at our last meeting an decided to welcome any new PF'ers that showed up. All they hafta do is pay the $25 a year club dues, help out like everybody else, and have the $58 ama card. If they don't like it, "Tough S**t"
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We took a vote at our last meeting an decided to welcome any new PF'ers that showed up. All they hafta do is pay the $25 a year club dues, help out like everybody else, and have the $58 ama card. If they don't like it, "Tough S**t"
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01-28-2008 | 11:21 AM
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The ama is in it for the $, nothing else. They see all of these new PF'ers out there an figure they might as well get as much out of this new group as they can. If 1 person joins it, thats $30 more than they had.
We took a vote at our last meeting an decided to welcome any new PF'ers that showed up. All they hafta do is pay the $25 a year club dues, help out like everybody else, and have the $58 ama card. If they don't like it, "Tough S**t"
Ronnie
The ama is in it for the $, nothing else. They see all of these new PF'ers out there an figure they might as well get as much out of this new group as they can. If 1 person joins it, thats $30 more than they had.
We took a vote at our last meeting an decided to welcome any new PF'ers that showed up. All they hafta do is pay the $25 a year club dues, help out like everybody else, and have the $58 ama card. If they don't like it, "Tough S**t"
Ronnie
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01-28-2008 | 11:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: VA Flier
Well it is certainly up to clubs to do this. I would hope that isn't the attitude you take with a prospective member though as this is exactly why folks talk so badly about the AMA since they link your club's actions to an organization dedicated to help this hobby grow.
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Well it is certainly up to clubs to do this. I would hope that isn't the attitude you take with a prospective member though as this is exactly why folks talk so badly about the AMA since they link your club's actions to an organization dedicated to help this hobby grow.
Frank
How that not presenting a positive attitude dedicated to helping the hobby grow. They are simply saying we are an AMA club and expect those who join the club to also be AMA members (as opposed to ppp members). They are offering to welcome and help any "parkfliers" that show up. They are, in a very polite manor, telling the person that if they cannot afford the full AMA membership, the RC hobby may not be for them since it can get expensive.
I say good job to Mr. Toolmans club for taking a stand against preferential treatment for the parkflyer and promoting AMA as a WHOLE! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
01-28-2008 | 11:43 AM
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How that not presenting a positive attitude dedicated to helping the hobby grow. They are simply saying we are an AMA club and expect those who join the club to also be AMA members (as opposed to ppp members). They are offering to welcome and help any "parkfliers" that show up. They are, in a very polite manor, telling the person that if they cannot afford the full AMA membership, the RC hobby may not be for them since it can get expensive.
I say good job to Mr. Toolmans club for taking a stand against preferential treatment for the parkflyer and promoting AMA as a WHOLE! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
How that not presenting a positive attitude dedicated to helping the hobby grow. They are simply saying we are an AMA club and expect those who join the club to also be AMA members (as opposed to ppp members). They are offering to welcome and help any "parkfliers" that show up. They are, in a very polite manor, telling the person that if they cannot afford the full AMA membership, the RC hobby may not be for them since it can get expensive.
I say good job to Mr. Toolmans club for taking a stand against preferential treatment for the parkflyer and promoting AMA as a WHOLE! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
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01-28-2008 | 12:05 PM
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ORIGINAL: VA Flier
The PPP members ARE AMA members. I don't understand your comment. But like I said, it's up to the clubs to discriminate. Sadly, but it allowed.
Frank
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How that not presenting a positive attitude dedicated to helping the hobby grow. They are simply saying we are an AMA club and expect those who join the club to also be AMA members (as opposed to ppp members). They are offering to welcome and help any "parkfliers" that show up. They are, in a very polite manor, telling the person that if they cannot afford the full AMA membership, the RC hobby may not be for them since it can get expensive.
I say good job to Mr. Toolmans club for taking a stand against preferential treatment for the parkflyer and promoting AMA as a WHOLE! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
How that not presenting a positive attitude dedicated to helping the hobby grow. They are simply saying we are an AMA club and expect those who join the club to also be AMA members (as opposed to ppp members). They are offering to welcome and help any "parkfliers" that show up. They are, in a very polite manor, telling the person that if they cannot afford the full AMA membership, the RC hobby may not be for them since it can get expensive.
I say good job to Mr. Toolmans club for taking a stand against preferential treatment for the parkflyer and promoting AMA as a WHOLE! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
Frank
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
I do think its interesting that you think the club is discriminating, but support a program that discriminates based on engine type.
01-28-2008 | 12:08 PM
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I still don't understand why you don't think PPP are AMA members. Have you seen this? http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx
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I still don't understand why you don't think PPP are AMA members. Have you seen this? http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx
Frank
I still don't understand why you don't think PPP are AMA members. Have you seen this? http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx
Frank
I should have put FULL in the original post you are referencing. (in actuallity however, it is my personal view that if they were truly AMA members, they would support the organziation like everyone else ...freeflighters, glider guys, etc. As a member, they could also vote!)
Now, why do you support PPP when they DISCRIMINATE based on power (engine) type?
01-28-2008 | 12:22 PM
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I should have put FULL in the original post you are referencing. (in actuallity however, it is my personal view that if they were truly AMA members, they would support the organziation like everyone else ...freeflighters, glider guys, etc. As a member, they could also vote!)
Now, why do you support PPP when they DISCRIMINATE based on power (engine) type?
ORIGINAL: VA Flier
I still don't understand why you don't think PPP are AMA members. Have you seen this? http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx
Frank
I still don't understand why you don't think PPP are AMA members. Have you seen this? http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx
Frank
I should have put FULL in the original post you are referencing. (in actuallity however, it is my personal view that if they were truly AMA members, they would support the organziation like everyone else ...freeflighters, glider guys, etc. As a member, they could also vote!)
Now, why do you support PPP when they DISCRIMINATE based on power (engine) type?
Promote Flying First.
That's what it's all about.
Frank
01-28-2008 | 12:23 PM
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RE: Park Pilot Volunteers Needed
Anyway, to get back on topic, I hope you guys try to let beginners know that there is an option for help out there with the Park Pilot Partners. Thank you to those folks have volunteered already to help out the new pilots and thanks to those that will be signing up. I see more and more volunteers on the list everyday -that's great to see.
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01-28-2008 | 12:28 PM
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RE: Park Pilot Volunteers Needed
ORIGINAL: VA Flier
Promote Flying First.
That's what it's all about.
Frank
ORIGINAL: P-51B
I should have put FULL in the original post you are referencing. (in actuallity however, it is my personal view that if they were truly AMA members, they would support the organziation like everyone else ...freeflighters, glider guys, etc. As a member, they could also vote!)
Now, why do you support PPP when they DISCRIMINATE based on power (engine) type?
ORIGINAL: VA Flier
I still don't understand why you don't think PPP are AMA members. Have you seen this? http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx
Frank
I still don't understand why you don't think PPP are AMA members. Have you seen this? http://www.modelaircraft.org/parkflyer.aspx
Frank
I should have put FULL in the original post you are referencing. (in actuallity however, it is my personal view that if they were truly AMA members, they would support the organziation like everyone else ...freeflighters, glider guys, etc. As a member, they could also vote!)
Now, why do you support PPP when they DISCRIMINATE based on power (engine) type?
Promote Flying First.
That's what it's all about.
Frank
Got it. Thanks for the clarification, you think its o.k. to discriminate against some types of flyers.
01-28-2008 | 12:29 PM
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RE: Park Pilot Volunteers Needed
p51-
You are not entirely accurate by saying they discriminate by engine type.
They discriminate by control type too, ask the RubberFF guys about that one.
RubberFF is welcome at AMA club fields, but verboten by AMA at PPP fields.
Discriminatory, divisive, & costly...
How costly? We wont know how much we will have to subsidize the PPP till next year, that is assuming of course all the little expenses for PPP get reported... Seperate Advertizing / staff manhours / insurance premium / .... volunteer programs
Subsidizing PPP.
Quick reality check:
If AMA was 100% $58 Open, it should be financially stable,
If AMA was 100% $29 PPP .... how many weeks till the doors close & the sign gets taken down?
Subsidizing PPP.
Why ask for PPP assitsing volunteers without asking for Open assisting volunteers?
Why would volunteers only assist PPP? Do folks need more help joining based on what they fly? How much help do 1/2A guys need, less than the 40% guys that want to join?
Subsidizing PPP.
Toolman-
Good on your club for helping all club joiners regardless, irregardless, & disregarding what they fly.
You are not entirely accurate by saying they discriminate by engine type.
They discriminate by control type too, ask the RubberFF guys about that one.
RubberFF is welcome at AMA club fields, but verboten by AMA at PPP fields.
Discriminatory, divisive, & costly...
How costly? We wont know how much we will have to subsidize the PPP till next year, that is assuming of course all the little expenses for PPP get reported... Seperate Advertizing / staff manhours / insurance premium / .... volunteer programs
Subsidizing PPP.
Quick reality check:
If AMA was 100% $58 Open, it should be financially stable,
If AMA was 100% $29 PPP .... how many weeks till the doors close & the sign gets taken down?
Subsidizing PPP.
Why ask for PPP assitsing volunteers without asking for Open assisting volunteers?
Why would volunteers only assist PPP? Do folks need more help joining based on what they fly? How much help do 1/2A guys need, less than the 40% guys that want to join?
Subsidizing PPP.
Toolman-
Good on your club for helping all club joiners regardless, irregardless, & disregarding what they fly.
01-28-2008 | 12:36 PM
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RE: Park Pilot Volunteers Needed
Kid,
Thank you for pointing out my error. I had completely forgotten about the control types.
I don't want to continue on this in this gentlemans thread, it is taking it off its intended purpose.
Thank you for pointing out my error. I had completely forgotten about the control types.
I don't want to continue on this in this gentlemans thread, it is taking it off its intended purpose.
