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From AMA Web Site:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/aboutam...ecminutes.aspx

You can learn a number of things such as:

Model Aviation online
An electronic extension of the print publication will launch July 1, 2011 in the Members Only section of the web site; it is NOT an electronic version of the print magazine, but will be a supplement to it. It will be used to cross promote the AMA as well as generate revenue to become self-sustaining. It is also hoped to build traffic for the print magazine. Three different categories will be offered: abridged stories, supplemental features, and on-line exclusives.

Other ideas and happenings in the minutes of the last EC meeting. Check it out.

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and its available online in the what only section?
oh, the MEMBERS ONLY section

Of course it is a brilliant scheme to promote AMA only to AMA members,
right up there with increasing the traffic to the print magazine
(that members are mandated to get)
by having a members only thing generate member traffic to the member magazine.


(sarcasm)
Maybe we can go beyond just trying to keep the existence of AMA a secret,
that we only promote the AMA to members of the AMA,
and begin killing any nonmembers that somehow find out we exist
... yeah, that will surely grow our membership.
After all, we all have to do our part to keep AMA a secret
(/sarcasm)

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I had the same reaction as KE - promoting AMA in the member-only section?

Another nugget that is surely familiar to the regulars here, but perhaps not with most members is this:

The Auditor reported that non-dues revenue is vital to support the costs of operating the Academy; the core operations (magazine, supply & service sales and membership) are not sufficient to carry the load. This has been true for a number of years and many member-based organizations are in the same situation

Though no secret, it is a bit of an eye-opener that $58 x 100,000+ is not enough to satisfy the AMA mission statement. If they were ever faced with the need to cut back to 6 to 7M per year, I wonder what would be put on the chopping block.

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"core operations" ?
Since when is a 'unrelated business' considered a core operation.

Those unfamiliar with the term Unrelated Business should consult with Hoss for accurate details.
I would have hoped our cores would be Membership and Lobbying,
since we are frequently told we are not an insurance company nor a publishing company.

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KidEpoxy buzz off. you bring nothing of importance to this section. We get that you don’t want to pay AMA your dues every year. That is your problem. Take your sour grapes somewhere else. This forum is for productive discussion, not constant negativity.

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"Buzz off" Last time I heard that was from maynard an dobie gillis.....hahaha And here I thought I was old.

KE as usual has a good point. The ama constantly squanders $ with off the wall projects like this thrown towards its own members.
Put ads in the cub an boy scout mags an some of the other teen mags. I'm sure they would be happy to have the advertisng biz, and it might encourage some youngsters to get into rc flight an join the ama

Yep, KE has an excellent point IMO

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Although I do not always agree with KE I still regard his and almost all other points of view on the various subjects posted on this website.

Anyone that would surround themselves with a bunch of yes men is certainly a fool. http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/js/f...wink_smile.gif

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TimJ, YOU surprise me. I would think a man of your substance, would be more tolerant of his fellow modeler.

Very impressive record.

Airplane Experience - 20 years building
- 20 years operating
Advanced pilot

Heli Experience - 10 years building
- 10 years operating
- Intermediate pilot

Car Experience - 22 years building
- 22 years operating
- Expert driver

Boating Experience - 18 years building
- 18 years operating
- Intermediate boater

You have done many things. I'm impressed. Now think of KE and such as those that want to get other modelers to think about what is happening to the hobby/hobbies. Without some to voice against oppression, just how long will it take before the freedom to enjoy all these activities no longer exists? Are your remarks really "....productive discussion...?

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And your post brings what?

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Good catch Hoss...A salient point indeed... An old adage about kettle and a skillet comes to mind...LOL

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Tim
If you disagree with my position,
that promoting AMA only to AMA members is not as good as promoting AMA to non-members as well,
perhaps you could share with us what points you see making it it good idea.

Tim, please DONT buzz off:
I would love to hear your position on the matter of promoting AMA only to members

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KidEpoxy, if your posts were as constructive as the first one in this thread, then I would not view you as a cancer of this forum. I do apologize for my remark for this thread only.

I would understand if the full magazine was in digital and in the members only section. But not parts of the magazine in the members only section. I have to agree this just does not seem like the right thing to do.

I have brought this up with my district Vice President. And I plan to talk with others within the AMA in regards to this. I also urge that other Leader Members and District Associate Vice Presidents do the same.

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ahhh, now we are getting to the meat

So you dont mind my first post, turns out you agree with me.
So lets open the hood on the second post then:

When I say the magazine is not a 'core operation', and that folks should ask Hoss about 'Unrelated Business',
what sources have you checked to learn about AMA's unrelated business ventures.

See, my guess is you havent gotten good data yet
but have formed an opinion on missing or bad data.

How did AMA survive and thrive for so many decades without that 'core'?
Because it actually aint a core, thats how.
AMA was great without the magazine,
so you shouldnt listen to folks that claim AMA is to weak/bad/bankrupt/core-less/etc be great without the magazine.
And to be clear, Optional is not doing away with the magazine, Optional by definition include the option to get it.


Could you use some of them positive posts you claim you want to see,
to show how you see something we tell the feds is Unrelated Business, as being a 'core operation'.

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The magazine is our monthly newsletter, just like any other organization. It contains the AMA presidents message. It contains news from all districts of the AMA. It contains articles related to our hobby. The magazine helps in many ways to keep AMA members informed about what the AMA is doing, and what is going on in other districts.

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Yep!

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Ahhh... Red now you have done it!!!! This forum has nothing to do with facts ......... just emotions! :D:D:D:D:D:D

Brad

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Come on, Red. I am not quoting your above post but you know which one. You are just punching at KE, rather than really providing true history. I don't wish to reignite old flames, however .....!

Air Trails and its later derivatives presented AMA News for a number of years, '40s and '50s. I am not making a detailed calendar as I would have to go research through archives in my barn and that ain't worth the trouble here and now. [8D]

Dewy (Radio Control Modeler) sometime in the late '60s or early '70s offered to present a free AMA news and business section, but the Ex. Director, John Worth, preferred to pay American Modeler (a late derivative of AT) $100,000.00 1970 era yankee dollars per year for a monthly news section about AMA.

Red, your Model Aviation picture was an AMA publication that contained very little and it surfaced every so often as the AMA Newsletter. It was used as an argument that AMA always had a magazine. That claim was bull shot back then and hasn't changed over the years.

The current Model Aviation could well be a true asset to both AMA's Membership and to the modeling industry, if it were properly managed and distributed under the Internal Revenue Code as it should be. "Unrelated Business" operated by an Exempt IRC 501 (c) (3) organization. An unrelated business is a business, can be owned by the Exempt, yet PROFITS are taxed. As business persons, or employees you and I are taxed when we generate income. Hopefully we have adequate remaining to pay our bills. IMO AMA's MA should operate same, as any other Free Market magazine is forced to do.

Oh incidentally, I just paid a fee to a Washington based attorney to confirm that an IRC 501 (c) (3) has no requirement to furnish a newsletter or such to its members unless that procedure is written into the Bylaws or Articles of Incorporation.

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ooooh, a picture of MA volume 1 no2 from 1936

hmm, maybe my math is wrong,
but if we know MA Vol.1 was 1936,
and MA vol 37 is in 2011,
MA vol 36 was in 2010,
and MA vol 32 was in 2006

I'm beginning to think we have not had MA for 70 years plus,
contrary to what that 1936 pic implies.

Yet AMA was great even without publishing its own 'Unrelated Business' complete magazine/ARF-Ad-Catalog.
That pic fails to establish AMA having 70 years of MA magazine,
but it does a nice job of just taking a cheap shot at my post

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Tim,
if you really considered MA to be there for getting important info to the members,
ask former Executive Councilman Hossfly
about candidate statements taking a back seat to providing enough room for the ads in our 'newsletter'.
We limit the candidates rather than the fluff and ads,
is that really what you envisioned as a core activity to the org?

Tim, have you checked the articles of incorperation
to see if charging the membership for a mandatory commercial magazine was part of our core?

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An organization that has members spread out like the AMA needs a form of communication to its members. In the past it was the above printed media, and purchased spots in other magazines. Regardless of what you think, the AMA needs to have a way to communicate with its members, and right now the main source is Model Aviation. We have printed media and digital media I am sure printed media will fade away after the last members that do not own a computer fade away. So your dream of not having a printed magazine will be realized soon.

I am sure there are legitimate reasons for hossfly's propaganda to have not made it into the magazine. That happened last year with a candidate here in District X. It was not a big deal. It was printed in the next issue. BTW that candidate won the election. Why? Because he did not rely on just the magazine.

Model Aviation magazine does not make a profit. It is not like the magazine is getting rich off of ad dollars. If anything the ad dollars are paying for the majority of the magazine. Just like any of our clubs would do in their newsletter.

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I have a computer and I still want a PRINTED magazine. OTOH I don't dream of not having a printed magazine. That would be a nightmare!

Would you advise me on just what all this printed and digital stuff is used for if MA is the communication vehicle?
AMA Insider / AMA Today / Sport Aviator / Cloud 9

Is that why AMA has twice as many people doing media as taking care of membership?


What "propaganda" did not make the magazine? My columns were always there. Unfortunately, IMO, the space allotted is insufficient to really do any good for establishing a significant base for a national candidate. JimJ, you're disappointing my faith in you as you don't seem to get your thoughts together for an accurate dissemination.

Well, TimJ, you do recognize one thing. MA, for certain, does NOT make a profit. [:'(] Unfortunately you are not up-to-date on the accounting of AMA/MA. Advertising only pays for the production of the advertising. The other part comes from your, mine, and all members' pockets. [:o]

About everything you need to know concerning MA and other AMA media advertising:

Advertising and Reviews information: http://www.airbornemedia.com/ftp/pub..._rate_card.pdf

You frequently use "I am sure" in your post. Many years ago an old flight instructor gave me a good clue concerning driving the jet around the sky and that is, "It's not so much that which you don't know that will hurt you, as it is that which you know FOR SURE that AIN'T so!

Horrace Cain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJfS1v-fU0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdF2S...eature=channel

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Tim
again,
how do you see wanting the magazine to be an option,
to be me dreaming of not having a printed magazine

You really need to focus on what I have said
more than relying on what folks are trying to have you believe I said stuff I havent.

So one more time,
to want the magazine to be optional, requires one of those options to be getting the magazine,
which pretty clearly shows I do not dream of the printed magazine going away.
So please stop disliking me over stuff I havent said, and positions I havent taken.

Communicating does not require publishing a 'unrelated business' magazine that serves itself more than the org. Owning a $18 Dues Hike Justification Tool is not a core activity, communicating is, and we did that for about half our existence WITHOUT having that dues hike justification object. There are plenty of threads that discuss the magazine going optional, I'm not arguing that here, I'm just pointing out them saying that publishing a unrelated business magazine is Core aint right.

Speaking of communicating as a core activity,
hows about the way a bunch of the org newsletter info found in MA aint found in the PPP magazine?
Guess getting org info to the members aint really that core after all,
or maybe that means Muncie knows they are getting that info to those members without printing it in the magazine mandated to those members.

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I'll say it one more time for clarity KE. The ama must think the mag is worth $28 per year. One year membership is $58,if a second person in the family wants to join at the same time (like the wife or child) their membership price is only $30 an they receive no magazine. That puts the mags value at $28

Like I said about ama's figures, figures lie an liars figure

$58-18=$40 for second member
$58-28=$30 for second member, the current rate

That $10 diff. is gettin lost in the shuffle or somewhere for some reason.


The govt lies about figures all the time. Look at the SS fund that would never be touched. What makes you think some mickey mouse corp or org wouldn't do the same thing they watch their gov do an get away with it.

When you have any org the size of ama, their main purpose is self preservation, members are secondary

They will probably never let you out of the mag with less $ or not. They now have a captive audience of around 150,000 members that the advertisers know will see their ads. If people could opt out, the advertisers might opt out also, since there coverage wouldn't be near as big as it is now.

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That is great Hossfly. I am happy that you want the magazine and communication from AMA.
Those are other forms of communication to our members of which are digital. This is a step forward to the digital age.

It takes a lot of effort to keep forms of communication flowing. Nothing more really needs to be said about that.

Evidently your buddy kiDePoxY is running around half cocked?
So you only want to run your propaganda in the magazine? You don’t plan to visit club meetings, fields and other functions to gain support for your vote? There is only so much room for printed media. Don’t forget to ask to have your propaganda printed in the other forms of communication which are digital. It takes a lot of money to run for a position. I can only hope you are willing to go out to events and visit people and get your hands dirty. Otherwise you are just wasting your time and effort.

It is obvious in this statement above that you have NOT reviewed the AMA financials. If you had, you would know that the ad revenue is pretty close to making the magazine self-sufficient .

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The smart Kalifornia feller that you are, should have directed his reply to Hoss, not me. There is a little button up in the right corner of his post that says reply or quote.....[8D]

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:eek: LOL really?