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FLAPHappy 12-08-2014 06:37 AM

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Flight Risk 12-08-2014 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by FLAPHappy (Post 11932358)
I just read this on local news: http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-3...er_oregon.html

Think about how many drones there will be, not counting the people in a hobby.

I can see how drones for news, traffic, police work, etc. could be so much cheaper than putting putting up full scale helicopters.
I'm curious what sort of fail-safe requirements these drones might have. I'm concerned with the quads losing one engine and they go down. Wouldn't it make sense to require six or more rotors, although I'm not sure they could be flyable on five of the six rotors, and more rotors is more chances that something fails. How about requiring a parachute to deploy? I can see one of these hovering over heavy traffic and dropping, causing a massive accident. No doubt they would fly these much lower over traffic which could cause distractions, and being so cheap compared to helicopters they would no doubt have dozens of these zipping around. Then add in the UPS drones and everything else flitting around and I see problems. Are they going to allow these to fly with the cheapest Chinese lipo's, motors, and receivers or will they need extensive testing and certification? How about routine inspections and maintainance by certified FAA agents?
Remember the days when we dreamed of everyone having a flying car? Can you imagine the problems with a million commuters in their flying cars over Los Angeles?

Instructor 12-08-2014 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Flight Risk (Post 11933536)
I can see how drones for news, traffic, police work, etc. could be so much cheaper than putting putting up full scale helicopters.
I'm curious what sort of fail-safe requirements these drones might have. I'm concerned with the quads losing one engine and they go down. Wouldn't it make sense to require six or more rotors, although I'm not sure they could be flyable on five of the six rotors, and more rotors is more chances that something fails. How about requiring a parachute to deploy? I can see one of these hovering over heavy traffic and dropping, causing a massive accident. No doubt they would fly these much lower over traffic which could cause distractions, and being so cheap compared to helicopters they would no doubt have dozens of these zipping around. Then add in the UPS drones and everything else flitting around and I see problems. Are they going to allow these to fly with the cheapest Chinese lipo's, motors, and receivers or will they need extensive testing and certification? How about routine inspections and maintainance by certified FAA agents?
Remember the days when we dreamed of everyone having a flying car? Can you imagine the problems with a million commuters in their flying cars over Los Angeles?

North and South routes would be odd altitude, with a 200 foot space and the East and West routes would be even with a 400 foot space. the only time they would need to go lower would be when they reached their destination......

Larry

porcia83 12-08-2014 12:59 PM

There are lots of great uses for all types of RC aircraft out there, for sure. Police, fire, search and rescue, agriculture, etc etc. More will come to light with continuing advances in the technology. One that never should have seen the light of day:

http://fortressamerica.gawker.com/tg.../+laceydonohue



.http://<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/ldhEsgcOq9U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Would have loved to been in the "brainstorming" session when this one got signed off on. That's an easy $5,000 settlement in NYC.

cj_rumley 12-08-2014 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by porcia83 (Post 11933590)
There are lots of great uses for all types of RC aircraft out there, for sure. Police, fire, search and rescue, agriculture, etc etc. More will come to light with continuing advances in the technology. One that never should have seen the light of day:

http://fortressamerica.gawker.com/tg.../+laceydonohue



.http://<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/ldhEsgcOq9U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Would have loved to been in the "brainstorming" session when this one got signed off on. That's an easy $5,000 settlement in NYC.

Wonder if the guy that came up with that is an AMA marketing staffer.:confused:

speedracerntrixie 12-08-2014 02:18 PM

I like that they blame her for " Flinching " what a bunch of morons! I have thousands of flights with blimps ( up to 28' in length ) in sports arenas and have never flown so close to anyone that could have been hit let alone getting one close enough to have them flinch. Stupidity in the name of trying to make a buck.

Maximilionalpha 12-08-2014 02:24 PM

And how about this one?...This plane was flown by a real,(sit in the cockpit)pilot...http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/3-u...ome/ar-BBguMYr

porcia83 12-08-2014 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by cj_rumley (Post 11933630)
Wonder if the guy that came up with that is an AMA marketing staffer.:confused:

yes, because that has everything to do with AMA.

You're tryin to hard.........:rolleyes:

porcia83 12-08-2014 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 11933636)
I like that they blame her for " Flinching " what a bunch of morons! I have thousands of flights with blimps ( up to 28' in length ) in sports arenas and have never flown so close to anyone that could have been hit let alone getting one close enough to have them flinch. Stupidity in the name of trying to make a buck.

So many companies tried to get some airtime with the "drone" technology after Amazon released their videos. Most were in it strictly for the attention (which most of them got either locally/regionally/nationally) but never really did much past a press release.

Can't believe TGIF actually went forward with it, in NYC of all places, but then again they needed to do something to get some press. They got it earlier this year with the endless appetizer promotion, I guess they are going the free nose surgery route now.

porcia83 12-08-2014 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Maximilionalpha (Post 11933645)
And how about this one?...This plane was flown by a real,(sit in the cockpit)pilot...http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/3-u...ome/ar-BBguMYr

Yes, because that so very similar to a "drone" story.

You're trying to hard.

FLAPHappy 12-08-2014 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by Maximilionalpha (Post 11933645)
And how about this one?...This plane was flown by a real,(sit in the cockpit)pilot...http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/3-u...ome/ar-BBguMYr

Hey Max, I am very sorry for the people that had this terrible loss of precious life. The FAA still has to investigate it, see what happened, then publish the results. It is remotely possible, a drone could have been involved, we don't know that yet. I hope not.
By the way, I saw your location in UAE now. In this thread you used my location, Lapine Oregon??? Why is that?? DId you just move to the UAE? Kinda strange.

Maximilionalpha 12-08-2014 05:20 PM

:D I had totally, forgotten that I had put that in my location, box...Was just kidding around. No harm meant. :)

Sport_Pilot 12-08-2014 09:53 PM

So when they fly their drone with mistletoe over John, he will stop this by calling the FAA.

phlpsfrnk 12-09-2014 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by FLAPHappy (Post 11933767)
Hey Max, I am very sorry for the people that had this terrible loss of precious life. The FAA still has to investigate it, see what happened, then publish the results. It is remotely possible, a drone could have been involved, we don't know that yet. I hope not.
By the way, I saw your location in UAE now. In this thread you used my location, Lapine Oregon??? Why is that?? DId you just move to the UAE? Kinda strange.

Mr. Slade's profile puts him in Lewistown, Pa. and I too fail to see the connection between that tragedy and this discussion, unless of course he is suggesting that a drone brought it down. At this point the most likely cause would be birds.

Regards
Frank

JohnShe 12-09-2014 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 11933913)
So when they fly their drone with mistletoe over John, he will stop this by calling the FAA.

I don't eat there anymore.

porcia83 12-09-2014 05:49 AM

One of the better articles on "drones". Best comments are at the end:

"I'm not saying all drones are bad. I think it would be fun to have one, but it's really not practical for me to have. The real problem with drones is their operators."


http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/drone...60699/+Kyosuke

speedracerntrixie 12-09-2014 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot (Post 11933913)
So when they fly their drone with mistletoe over John, he will stop this by calling the FAA.

This is pretty funny. Of course this scenario would mean that he was able to get someone to accompany him to the restaurant. I don't think the operator would fly the drone over the " Table for one ". Sorry John, a little harmless fun there. I watched the promo and they are were operating the drone much too close to patrons. Supposedly being operated by a giggly young lady. Obviously we know better but the general public does not and it's the general public that the FAA and NTSB has to answer too. Of course not directly but the general public through media can and does apply pressure. No agency director wants his agency to " Look " poorly in the eyes of the media and general public. Education is the key here. Educate the general public about how we " Recreational hobbyists" operate, educate people buying the quads. IMO most people that would operate in an unsafe and irresponsible manner may not realize they are doing so. I for one did not realize the failsafe's that most of the high end quads have. In light of that I would have to say that we all should educate ourselves about the capabilities of the quads before we take on the viewpoint that all quads and quad pilots are evil and must be stopped.

FLAPHappy 12-09-2014 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by Maximilionalpha (Post 11933772)
:D I had totally, forgotten that I had put that in my location, box...Was just kidding around. No harm meant. :)

Not a problem.

FLAPHappy 12-09-2014 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by phlpsfrnk (Post 11933957)
Mr. Slade's profile puts him in Lewistown, Pa. and I too fail to see the connection between that tragedy and this discussion, unless of course he is suggesting that a drone brought it down. At this point the most likely cause would be birds.

Regards
Frank


Frank, You may be correct. I read the article, and the cause could have been any number of things, but my thought is Pilot error.
The article stated an onlooker said the plane was too low, then turned 90 degrees and belly flopped into the house, I think he panicked , tried to turn, and stalled without the correct airspeed. Just my thought on this article. This article possibly could have been associated with a drone, but I don't think so now.

phlpsfrnk 12-09-2014 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by FLAPHappy (Post 11934043)
Frank, You may be correct. I read the article, and the cause could have been any number of things, but my thought is Pilot error.
The article stated an onlooker said the plane was too low, then turned 90 degrees and belly flopped into the house, I think he panicked , tried to turn, and stalled without the correct airspeed. Just my thought on this article. This article possibly could have been associated with a drone, but I don't think so now.

I read it that he rolled inverted shortly after being cleared to land before going in. In any case tragic.

Frank

JohnShe 12-09-2014 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by speedracerntrixie (Post 11934005)
This is pretty funny. Of course this scenario would mean that he was able to get someone to accompany him to the restaurant. I don't think the operator would fly the drone over the " Table for one ". Sorry John, a little harmless fun there. I watched the promo and they are were operating the drone much too close to patrons. Supposedly being operated by a giggly young lady. Obviously we know better but the general public does not and it's the general public that the FAA and NTSB has to answer too. Of course not directly but the general public through media can and does apply pressure. No agency director wants his agency to " Look " poorly in the eyes of the media and general public. Education is the key here. Educate the general public about how we " Recreational hobbyists" operate, educate people buying the quads. IMO most people that would operate in an unsafe and irresponsible manner may not realize they are doing so. I for one did not realize the failsafe's that most of the high end quads have. In light of that I would have to say that we all should educate ourselves about the capabilities of the quads before we take on the viewpoint that all quads and quad pilots are evil and must be stopped.

You do realize that once one of those things bounces off the ceiling and into someone's face that the resulting flurry of lawsuits would likely shut the restaurant chain down. In any event, reporting anything to FAA would be absurd since the inside of a restaurant is not a part of the NAS. Maybe someone could try local law enforcement but they would d be too confused to handle it properly, unless the drone operator was a black guy, then they could just shoot him.

flycatch 12-09-2014 11:35 AM

Drones are like guns it all goes back to the operator, does it not?

JohnShe 12-09-2014 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by flycatch (Post 11934236)
Drones are like guns it all goes back to the operator, does it not?

Exactly.

speedracerntrixie 12-09-2014 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by JohnShe (Post 11934142)
You do realize that once one of those things bounces off the ceiling and into someone's face that the resulting flurry of lawsuits would likely shut the restaurant chain down. In any event, reporting anything to FAA would be absurd since the inside of a restaurant is not a part of the NAS. Maybe someone could try local law enforcement but they would d be too confused to handle it properly, unless the drone operator was a black guy, then they could just shoot him.

John, go back and read my post, it sounds as if you got the impression that I supported TGIF. To clarify, I do not. I hope that woman went from her dinner to a lawyers office to be honest. You are correct, nothing to report as no crime took place, just poor judgment. A civil case for sure. However back to my point, this is what the general public see's and it's the tag that all R/C enthusiasts get. We need to change the general public's perception of R/C modeling through education. Not sure if that is possible as we really have no tools to do so however as long as all " Drone " operators are grouped together we all share the same fate.

Sport_Pilot 12-09-2014 01:00 PM


reporting anything to FAA would be absurd since the inside of a restaurant is not a part of the NAS.
I think one of the FAA statements contradict's your statement.


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