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Originally Posted by acer3299
(Post 12181616)
Boy that's really swell that you could "maybe be talked into " recognizing disabled vets GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by porcia83
(Post 12181654)
In the 8 plus years I've been involved in this hobby, and however many clubs I've flown at or visited, I've never seen anything close to the spoiled rich kid persona he alluded to. Not even close. The kids I see are everyday kids like we probably were, enjoying the hell out of this hobby, thankful for any plane they were flying. I've been lucky enough to meet and be fellow members at clubs with some kids you might have seen in your travels. Dean Lampron from up your way in Mass, and the McCormack boys from New Hampshire. I've watch all three of them over the past 5 years excel to the point of shaming most folks at our club. National champ level flying. It's a thrill to see them grow and their skills improve. All three of these kids are as far from Franklin's made up world as you can get. Salt of the earth, generous with their time, and humble as hell about their abilities. All three have worked incredibly hard to get where they are, and all without 200 Dr Dre Beats on their head. They are fantastic with kids at events, and also spend considerable time afterwards helping our members trim out their planes, and answer questions about programming their transmitters. They are the future of this hobby, and are exemplary ambassadors.
Clubs should be working overtime to try to figure out how to get more youths into this great hobby. Our club charges one extra dollar for "family memberships", be it one extra child or 5. That's fine, but you have to at least admit that not all of us have been graced with the wonderful experience you've had, nor seem to be surrounding by perfect examples that fit neatly into the AMA model as you have. Are there unicorns up there too? |
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12181677)
That's fine, but you have to at least admit that not all of us have been graced with the wonderful experience you've had, nor seem to be surrounding by perfect examples that fit neatly into the AMA model as you have. Are there unicorns up there too?
As I said, I'm extremely lucky to fly with those three kids I referenced, who are now young men, but I'm not the only one by any stretch. They belong to multiple clubs. But hey, toss those examples aside. The average kid at a field isn't the one that you have described. You should visit more clubs and see for yourself. In all of these threads I've yet to see your example repeated by anyone else. I'd hold my example of a kid enjoying the hobby and being happy to fly whatever is is flying rather than some overindulged spoiled rich brat. There seems to be an odd tinge of bitterness associated with your characterization. Oh, and here's another "youngster" that's been flying at our field for the last 5 years. Was at the forefront of MR design, programming, and fabrication. Scratch built amazing scale replicas of civilian aviation aircraft from paper mache and pink core foam, designed and bagged his own DLG and oh, in his spare time built this: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/atta...mentid=2149263 http://flitetest.com/articles/northr...b-design-build A one of a kind build, done while a student at Purdue. Wanna guess where he maidened it? Ya, our field. I remember the day vividly, when he arrived every unicorn sat down to watch him do his thing. When he was done they all got up and pooped out rainbows to show their appreciation. Guess we just keep getting lucky with folks like this...pure luck, over and over. If you ever make it up this way, and still have an AMA card of course.....you can be my special guest, perhaps some good luck will rub off? |
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12181268)
I advocated E6 and below because that's where we discounted many of our own recreational activities.
The "I could care less..." comment was a turn of phrase. If they choose to vote it down, that's there prerogative. But I think it deserves a vote. Just like the vote opportunity they gave for the free youth memberships, and just like the vote opportunity they gave for senior memberships. "...I don't know about you, but I could care less if they vote it down, but it bugs me that they won't even vote and go on record..." Those are your words, clear as day. You're not getting what you want, and it bothers you, and now rather than really push for change in a positive constructive way, you're putting in play a self fulfilling prophecy where you get your rejection, and have yet another thing to complain about. All the while wrapping yourself up in the E6 and below flag, but not veterans. There's another way to go about it of course, but that would take actual thought and work and effort. Easier I guess to get a more immediate answer even if it's most likely a negative one. |
Originally Posted by acer3299
(Post 12181604)
Well lets forget about the Vietnam vets no sense in recognizing them now, since it's been almost 50 years, why start now.
Nobody cared back then, why start now. Kinda late in my book...... When I was discharged from the USAF back during the Vietnam era and I did serve in what was considered active combat zones, I went to our cities local Veterans of Foreign Wars Club and asked if I could join ? The only reply that I received from the VFW representative was " Vietnam is NOT a foreign WAR ", thus NO you can not join ! How is that for recognizing and supporting the Vets of this country ? Needless to say to date, I have NEVER walked into another VFW club ! :mad: |
Geez! I'm going to assume that VFW post is now defunct - being that those (probable) WWI & WWII folk have all died off by now.
While I was never "IN" Vietnam, I flew over it dozens of times - but it was my station in "occupied" Berlin that got me an invite into VFW (which I didn't take). Something about Vietnam turned EVERYBODY off back then. Gotta say, I'm like you - rather put off by the lack of appreciation and sometimes outright hostility toward military (all military) at that time. |
What I find hard is how do you explain to the 58,000 soldiers that gave their lives fighting in what the VFW classified as not a " Foreign War " , that they were fighting for nothing ? Fifty-Eight thousand lives wasted for NOTHING ! And this number does not take into account all the other soldiers that were wounded, crippled or even mentally handicapped.
Then this VFW " idiot " had the nerve to tell me that Vietnam was not a foreign war. I sincerely hope that he is now rotting away in a " rice paddy " ! :o I sincerely hope that nobody comes on this forum to apologize or make excuses for what happened to me with the VFW. It is way to late for that and I will never forget. :mad: |
Believe me, for many reasons, none of us will.
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Porcia, you should learn that just because you think of something you don't have to believe it. Or say it.
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Thanks for the deep thoughtful insight. Makes a lot of sense. Just because I think of something I don't have to believe it. Brilliant stuff. Might want to take some of your own advice though. See how that works?
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Originally Posted by franklin_m
(Post 12180939)
I am proposing the following to my regional VP. When I floated the idea before (informally), he told me it would not be brought to a vote. I don't know about you, but I could care less if they vote it down, but it bugs me that they won't even vote and go on record. So I've decided to formally submit it again under the bylaws.
Anyone who would like to see them at least vote on it, I'd appreciate the help and would ask that you send the same email to your regional VP... ------ PROPOSAL ---------------------------------------------------------------- As a "bona fide" AMA member, pursuant to Article XI, Section 6 of the AMA bylaws, I submit the following formal request for Executive Council action on this proposal: "With appropriate proof of service as detailed herein, provide active duty U.S. Military members, E6 and below, a membership discount equal to that provided to seniors. Proof of service shall be a "Statement of Service" or other similar document on DoD letterhead signed by the unit head, an individual with "by direction" signature authority (other than the applicant), a Staff Judge Advocate, or any commissioned officer O-4 and above." (see note) Justification: Our organization is giving away free memberships to youths, aged 14-19. Yet those under 18 are unlikely to have jobs and thus the resources to put toward the hobby. On the other hand, active duty military members are numerous, young, disciplined (follow safety guidelines), and technically savvy. Furthermore, many are engaged in some way with aviation in their profession. While they have a job and income that exceeds those of the youth ages, oftentimes they're also supporting young families. The fact that many are on food stamps has been well documented, and this is especially true for the lower paygrade enlisted personnel. Under various programs other recreational activities (theme parks, sporting events, etc.) provide discounts to encourage participation. I would like to see AMA honor the service of these young Americans and encourage them to participate in our hobby and join our organization by extending a discount. I respectfully request feedback on whether any member or the President agrees to put this on the agenda. Sincerely, (your name) AMA#: (your AMA number) Note: Should a member submit a copy of their DoD ID card in lieu of above, I would recommend AMA accept it as proof of service. However, I would strongly recommend that AMA not encourage such practice. Although it is not well known, the copying of a DoD ID card is a strict violation of Title 18, U.S. Code, Part I, Chapter 33, Section 701. Are those who iPhones excluded? |
Vietnam was considered a "Police" action by our so called government at that time. Everything controlled from the pentagon instead of the soldier in the field.
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To call it anything other than a war is to disrespect those that fought in it. If you have HBO and have a chance to catch it, look up the Nixon Tapes documentary, amazing behind the scenes audio of that period in time.
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Originally Posted by porcia83
(Post 12186843)
To call it anything other than a war is to disrespect those that fought in it. If you have HBO and have a chance to catch it, look up the Nixon Tapes documentary, amazing behind the scenes audio of that period in time.
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No, wrong again. Not going to debate politics here, but you're wrong, at least by his own words he chose to memorialize.
THANKS OBAMA (I had to, sorry). |
Originally Posted by porcia83
(Post 12186858)
No, wrong again. Not going to debate politics here, but you're wrong, at least by his own words he chose to memorialize.
THANKS OBAMA (I had to, sorry). |
I know the AMA forums have been slow, it's nice to see some activity, but like I said before I'm not getting into a political debate. That and religion, absolutely a waste of time to discuss online. Oh, and HobbyKing.
Look up the show if you get a chance. Amazing what Nixon allowed himself to be taped saying. |
Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
(Post 12186860)
So you say the Democrats did not start it? Who are you referring to here? Eisenhower?
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Korea was also a police action, not a War. BTW, Korea has also never had a peace treaty, just a cease fire. Seems like one little antagonizing little ---- needs to be taught a lesson that you don't poke a sleeping lion.
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Originally Posted by porcia83
(Post 12186864)
I know the AMA forums have been slow, it's nice to see some activity, but like I said before I'm not getting into a political debate. That and religion, absolutely a waste of time to discuss online. Oh, and HobbyKing.
Look up the show if you get a chance. Amazing what Nixon allowed himself to be taped saying. |
Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon
(Post 12186915)
Party pooper. Come on! Nothing gets a party going more than a discussion on politics, religion, or Hobby King.
Mike |
Originally Posted by rcmiket
(Post 12186980)
Or what radio system is better.
Mike |
Originally Posted by rcmiket
(Post 12186980)
Or what radio system is better.
Mike |
Originally Posted by rgburrill
(Post 12186909)
Yes, in 1956.
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Sport, the American people in general have never been told the truth about Vietnam. Suffice it to say that we lost more planes in combat prior to 1960 than the American people were told that we even had in Vietnam. Now, can you just for once shut up and accept that someone could have more knowledge about a subject than you?
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